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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #260 on: January 28, 2015, 01:57:26 PM »
Everything wrong with QfG5, right there. Kudos, Jack.

On IMDB, QfG3 has the lowest rating of any QfG game.

I still maintain that MoE is superior to KQ7. You have more creative freedom in a 3D environment than you do in KQ7, where your cursor does everything for you.

On this site, someone goes into great detail on KQ7:
http://www.adventureclassicgaming.com/index.php/site/features/83/

...and elsewhere on the site, awarding it a 2/5.

Meanwhile, also on the same site:
http://www.adventureclassicgaming.com/index.php/site/reviews/93/

...MoE gets a perfect 5/5. I just think it's funny how everyone cries about it so much. Immaturity at its finest. I'd rather get a KQ spin-off that doesn't directly relate to the previous games than get something like KQ7 that ruins already established and well-liked characters like Rosella, Valanice and Edgar.

And yeah, Gabriel Knight 3 was...not very good. The Monkey Island games went the same way as soon as 3D was added to the mix.

And GrahamRocks, don't think I've forgotten about you saying that you like TellTale Games while saying bugger-all about why. You have yet to establish what it is that you think TellTale has that LucasArts didn't. If you stay silent, you'll only make yourself look like a fangirl who only likes what she's told to like without ever questioning why. I'll be anxiously awaiting your response.

And on that note, it appears that KQ2015 has finally received its title--King's Quest: Your Legacy Awaits. It's not a numbered sequel, so no calling it KQ9, anybody. Any thoughts?
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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #261 on: January 28, 2015, 02:07:49 PM »
Dear goodness Numbers GrahamRocks is allowed to like Telltale games.

The problem with Telltale isn't that their games are irredeemably bad but rather that they aren't very good. They are mildly good at best or not a point and click (Honestly Telltale just don't make point and clicks anymore... It is clear your thing is interactive fiction).

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #262 on: January 28, 2015, 05:11:43 PM »
Huh. Never thought of that...

Doesn't stop me from enjoying it, but still interesting! I'll remember that for my Thief play through. I had no idea Fire Proofing Oil protects from explosions.

Times like this is when I really wish there was a Sierra mod community like Nexus is for Bethesda games. 

As for you, Numbers...

You wanna know why I like TellTale, huh?

I like the stories that they tell. The fact that they're considered "interactive fiction" doesn't bug me in the slightest, because I think they're good stories. Besides, you can't say ALL of them are bad when, just a year ago, people were saying they really liked The Walking Dead and A Wolf Among Us. I think Telltale has some good characters and builds on the established lore pretty well, at least with BTTF and Monkey Island. All you care about is graphics, saying they look ugly. Oh NO! How horrible! Now, I have not heard good things about Jurassic Park for instance, and looking back over our posts on this, I will admit that having the company create fake accounts to give good reviews is a pretty stupid idea. But does this stop me from liking them? No. See, unlike you, I like to hear a good story in a game, which is rather hard to find these days because either the company made a lackluster plot or people ignore it entirely. Telltale is all about that, and I happen to like that.

I like easier games. I hate getting stuck on puzzles for weeks on end. You know what usually happens if I find myself stuck on a puzzle in an adventure game? I stop playing, even if I'm enjoying the game thus far. A good example? Nancy Drew and the Wolf of Icicle Creek, where there is a puzzle that involves beating a character at a game of Fox and Sheep to get an item. I got stuck horribly and couldn't continue the game until I beat him , and I lost several times. And yes, I checked the HerInteractive forums for help, drawing a picture of the board and looking up strategies. Nothing helped.

Perhaps it's because I never grew up with Sierra or LucasArts (Star Wars games aside), but I'm  not like you guys. I didn't follow the strategy of "save early, save often, don't overwrite saves" and stuff to keep me from unwinnable situations. I don't like having difficult as balls obscure puzzles, because I  don't like being stuck. I wanna complete the game sometime this year, you know? Though I'm sure I would have LOVED Sierra as a kid, unfortunately by the time I would have been old enough to play them, they would probably have either been at their decline or shut down entirely since I was born in 1993, the year Gabriel Knight 1 and Quest for Glory 4 came out. I highly doubt I'd be playing those at 5 years old, you know? They'd probably scare me. I didn't even know what Sierra even was until 4 years ago, and the same applies to LucasArts's adventure games.

Why are you so obsessed with me liking TellTale? It's not the end of the world if I do. And when did I ever say they were better than LA? Also, really? I wasn't told to like them, I grew to like them by myself. That applies to pretty much every game I know about. I hold Let'S Plays in high regard, as they introduce me to games I never would have heard about or cared about. That's how I got into Sierra, Monkey Island, Mass Effect, Pokemon, MOTHER... and before you tell me that LPs will warp my opinion on the games... I reiterate that I still hate the later Larry games, and I doubt I'll agree if I watched an LP of a game and they say it's great. And all I did was watch Rudy's walkthrough.

As for KQ7... I'll have to look back on what you've been saying to refresh my memory, but I can say this: I don't think anybody liked the whole "one cursor interface" thing for that game. Also, I only heard Rosella say a certain line you complained about ONCE. AND, for the record, I never said crying for a puzzle solution was a GOOD idea, I just wondered why you had to do it twice.

As for the protagonists and Edgar... I never detected much of a personality in Rosie in 4. She, like her brother and father up to this point, is a blank slate like so many other early characters in video games. The only emotions I saw were fear and sorrow and happiness. Past the intro, she didn't have any lines I saw. And for Valanice, again, she was a blank slate before this adventure. Unless you look at the Companion, something that you iirc don't consider canon, then we know NOTHING about her or what she's like other than "girl who marries Graham and becomes his Queen and apparently is afraid of the stairs in the tower". And really, you're gonna fault her for being a b**** WHEN HER DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPPED BY AN UNKNOWN FORCE AND SHE'S STUCK IN A LAND CLEARLY NOT HER OWN?! For all the flack she gets for crying, she only does it canonically TWICE, three times if the comb counts. How would you feel if that were you, forcefully separated from your child, hoping and praying and worrying if they're alright and just wanting to go home?

As for Edgar, I apologize if I've said this before, but I don't mind the retcon of his origins.  Why? Because I think it gives us a parallel to Alexander: kidnapped as a baby, raised by an evil person clearly not his parent, has a greater destiny as a Prince, and falls in love with a Princess.

And for the record, I'm not the only one who likes 7. I can name two more people right off the bat- Akril15 from both here and DeviantArt and JDJANUS aka Josh Henry. Heck, the only reason I didn't post my thoughts on 7 sooner? Because he was basically saying what I was thinking about writing anyway. Don't want to be redundant, you know.

Now then, Numbers. Please, I ask you to just let this go. So I like TT, so I like KQ7, so what? The world's not gonna end if I do. Sure, I may be a minority, sure I may be an oddball and you probably think I'm an idiot for it, but at the end of the day, does it really matter if I like something or not? No, not really. I can't change your mind about it, but neither can you sending me stuff like you linked above change mine.

Now, if you would please leave me alone on this. Nobody else protests to me liking these games, save you.

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #263 on: January 28, 2015, 05:51:54 PM »
Well, you can't buy the fireproofing oil until after you've killed the Hydra and sold its scales to Salim.  But yeah, if you use it before opening a trapped container or door, you'll be okay.

I also forgot to mention the inn food.  In QFG2, Shema's meals actually sounded good enough for me to want to try in real life.  The gnome inn "meals" on the other hand, I wouldn't touch even if you paid me.  The eating sound was pretty dumb and annoying too.  Thus, whenever I played, I just bought a bunch of food from Marrak and ate some fruit for breakfast and pizza/gyros for dinner.  (since the QFG hero doesn't get hungry for lunch, apparently)

"girl who marries Graham and becomes his Queen and apparently is afraid of the stairs in the tower".

Uhh... how about is afraid of a door that's barred on the other side and has a FREAKIN' LION guarding it?
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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #264 on: January 28, 2015, 05:53:51 PM »
I think Telltale tells great stories and as Neonivek pointed out, there's nothing wrong that. GrahamRocks shouldn't have to feel the need to defend herself from liking any piece of entertainment. The Telltale style of gaming is loved by many for a reason.

If anything needs defending is the fact that I actually like FMV games :P

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #265 on: January 28, 2015, 05:56:40 PM »
Well, the cooks ARE clowns. You expected the food at a Gnome's inn to be not strange? ;)

So you liked GK2, then, Stika? I admit, the first game sucked me almost immediately, the second took a bit for it to grow on me, but it did, but the third game never did. Save the temple at the end.

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #266 on: January 28, 2015, 06:08:30 PM »
I LOVE GK2. And yes, the terrible acting is one of the major reasons why I love it so much. :P

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #267 on: January 28, 2015, 07:26:46 PM »
Lots and lots of text

See? That wasn't so hard, was it? I never said you were wrong for liking things I don't like. I just wanted to know why. I'm not offended by people having a different opinion from me; in fact, I'm fascinated by it. I would love to sit down with someone who actually unironically enjoys Box Office Bust just to see things from their perspective.

Also, sorry if I was too harsh earlier on. I had a really bad day suffering withdrawals from a med I'm addicted to and had no sleep the night before.

If anything needs defending is the fact that I actually like FMV games :P

FMV games are a gold mine of comedy. If I may be so bold as to plug additional Retsupurae videos...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ocE19YWhs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ocE19YWhs</a>

"I f*cking hate cocaine!"

Then there's this one...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv7qRKH-OMg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv7qRKH-OMg</a>

"A tuxedo on a pool player is like ice cream on a hot dog!" *guffaws*

And yes, the entire playing time of both games is only one video long apiece. Guess the companies couldn't afford to shoot any more scenes.
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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #268 on: January 28, 2015, 07:51:50 PM »
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See? That wasn't so hard, was it? I never said you were wrong for liking things I don't like. I just wanted to know why. I'm not offended by people having a different opinion from me; in fact, I'm fascinated by it. I would love to sit down with someone who actually unironically enjoys Box Office Bust just to see things from their perspective.
Well, like I said, Josh said pretty much what I wanted to say anyway. *shrugs*

At least you're civil about it. Thank you, Numbers! :)

Yay, Retsupurae! :D

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #269 on: January 28, 2015, 08:13:26 PM »
My civility comes and goes, unfortunately. You obviously know what the uncivilized side of me is like from a few comments ago...
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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #270 on: January 28, 2015, 09:04:57 PM »
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you can't say ALL of them are bad when, just a year ago, people were saying they really liked The Walking Dead and A Wolf Among Us.

That goes into my statement earlier. They are either mediocre point and clicks OR interactive fiction

Neither of those are point and click adventures they are a genre known as interactive fiction... and honestly Telltale should just stop making point and clicks and stick to those.

That way they won't have to bother with "gameplay".

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #271 on: January 29, 2015, 02:06:44 PM »
Getting back to the new King's Quest game...Your Legacy Awaits. What are people's thoughts on the title? I think it sounds a bit like Star Wars 7's title, The Force Awakens.

I can just imagine the reviews of the game coming in now...

"This game is good, but also horrible. It's recommended for all ages, except for those it's not recommended for. People who get their jimmies rustled at the sight of a dragon, or a leprechaun, or a tree-type thingy should stay away. Overall, an excellent experience. 666/potato." --IGN
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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #272 on: January 29, 2015, 04:02:58 PM »
Where did it say that's the official title? The Omnipedia is fan made, and last I saw, it wasn't confirmed and some garner it a mistake on that Wikia or it just being a working tagline for the trailer.

Though if it IS the official title, it applies to Gwendolyn pretty well. "Go on adventures, Gwendolyn! Here, I pass on my cap to you. You legacy awaits! :D" but something tells me that's not the official title, unless Matt and Lindsey have said something about it. What's a KQ game without a witty pun based title, hm?

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #273 on: January 29, 2015, 05:05:52 PM »
It says what the title is on the King's Quest Wikipedia article and also on the series' TV Tropes page.

It could be argued that Quest for the Crown, The Perils of Rosella and obviously Mask of Eternity aren't pun-based titles. TSL was originally supposed to be Every Cloak Has a Silver Lining before it got shortened, thus removing the pun.

I think a better title would be "King Graham and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull."

Because Graham's really old now.
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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #274 on: January 29, 2015, 05:21:53 PM »
Maybe.  But unlike Dr. Jones, Graham has officially retired from adventuring.  In the new game, he's telling his granddaughter stories about how he became King Edward's finest knight.

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #275 on: January 29, 2015, 06:08:51 PM »
Yeah, I know. The context is still "Old Graham tells granddaughter stories about himself" and the fact that the game mostly takes place in the past doesn't change anything about his current age. I find myself wondering if the new KQ games are going to kill off Graham, whether it be off-screen of old age, or if his death sets the plot of another game in motion.

Of course, if the new game flops, we'll never know what they had planned.
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« Reply #276 on: January 29, 2015, 06:29:33 PM »
Well again, it's not been confirmed by TOG. *shrugs* What I am wondering though, since it's episodic and the GameInformer article said Gwen meets grandpa every summer, does the entire set of episodes take place over one big long summer or several? I'm assuming it's the  former.

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« Reply #277 on: January 29, 2015, 09:27:22 PM »
That would be my guess.  It'd be a lot of stories for one visit otherwise; which would make it an incredibly long visit.

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« Reply #278 on: January 29, 2015, 10:09:35 PM »
Well, summer lasts longer for kids than it does adults.

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #279 on: January 29, 2015, 11:32:49 PM »
I guess that's true.  Phineas and Ferb can probably vouch for that claim.