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Started by mimbutzki, January 05, 2014, 12:33:54 PM

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Neonivek

Quote from: GrahamRocks! on January 22, 2015, 09:34:31 PM
Urgh... PewDiePie... I'm so tempted to watch something of his just to see what the fuss is all about, but I dunno...

I'll stick with LPers with actual good, funny, informative commentary, like Chuggaaconroy, thank you.

There are quite the arrangement of Letsplayers and oddly enough when I think about my top four favorite letsplayers... I notice what a gambit there is.

My favorite informative letsplayer I forgot the name of but (s)he (I forget) did a "Alone in the Dark" letsplay that was extremely informative right down to her actually finding the books the books in the games are based on.

Chip and Ironicus are both funny and usually informative and while I don't like ALL their letsplays (I don't like their No More Heroes one) I do like how they seem like they are genuinely having fun and enjoying themselves.

Then there is Coulis who isn't that informative, other then about French, but I just love his wit and charm... I wish he did more then three letsplays of any note (and one of them is forever incomplete)

Numbers

The Achievement Hunter LPs of Grand Theft Auto V and Minecraft are pretty amusing. They're crude and rely on "guy humor" way too much, but Gavin and Ray make it all worth it. They're nice time-wasters if you want to watch a group of nerds doing what they love, and basically accomplishing nothing of worth in literally hundreds of videos.

I should note that their LPs are definitely not for everyone, and it took me a while to get into their videos, especially when you have to keep track of six different voices at once. It gets easier when you recognize one of them as a Red vs. Blue voice actor, and Gavin's distinctive, not-very-masculine British accent is easily discerned.

One other thing I should note is that the Retsupurae duo get a lot of crap from people who basically say "If you think you're so smart, why don't you do Let's Plays?" They both already have. Slowbeef was the very first person to do a Let's Play, and Diabetus is an extremely skilled player who successfully Let's Played Battletoads, a notoriously difficult game. Both of them have done excellent LPs of Dark Souls as well. Right now, Retsupurae is doing a Let's Play of Sonic 2006, and despite being video game aficionados, both of them are going in blind, which leads to hilarity when Slowbeef gets to the infamous Silver boss fight having no idea how to beat it.
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GrahamRocks!

Just watched my first series by Game Grumps, Punch Out Wii, the other day. Pretty funny! Don't know why I avoided watching them for so long.

Of COURSE I can't forget Toegoff and Paw! The latter introduced me to Sierra and the KQ series, the former introduced me to you guys! Heck, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't care about Ccognition.

Numbers

I never really got into Game Grumps. They're not very good at playing most of the time, for one thing...also, I can't stand EgoRaptor.
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stika

I like their Castlevania 1 and Castlevania 4 videos. I watched their Aladdin for the Sega Genesis video, but they're really anti-Sega, so it was hard for me to watch it as a Sega fanboy. :P

Neonivek

Quote from: Numbers on January 24, 2015, 09:02:29 PM
I never really got into Game Grumps. They're not very good at playing most of the time, for one thing...also, I can't stand EgoRaptor.

Honestly there are two things that PISS me off in any letsplay

1) Meandering around
and
2) Being bad at videogames...

and dear goodness do the Gaming Grumps have both of these in spades. Even as a child I was better at Kirby Superstar then they were.

GrahamRocks!

I got standards too, actually.

1. Good engaging commentary- make me laugh within the first few episodes or at least keep my interest in what you actually know about the game or what you're doing. Unless you're playing blind, then just either make me laugh or preferably be playing a game I haven't seen or played before myself. Don't drone, be happy and ready to play!

2. Good quality videos- I don't really care if you have a webcam in the corner (Markplier and lately Enchantermon come to mind), but PLEASE use some sort of capture program and not a camcorder.  Same goes with audio.

Neonivek

True I have standards too.

But I wanted to list something that is a disqualification that wasn't necessarily "Bad".

Yeah I dislike bad videos too.

But a letsplay where they meander about a lot and can't play the game to save their lives isn't necessarily a "bad letsplay".

While boring, droning, stupid commentary over blurry oversaturated videos that look like you are staring into the sun... are bad.

stika

I generally like their jokes. Most of the time I don't even watch LPs, I have the running in the background and I listen to them while I work.

Numbers

I only like webcams when there are actual reactions for us to see. I'm not talking about fake overacting while playing horror games (PewDiePie again and Markiplier to an extent), I'm talking about genuine reactions to the stuff they're seeing on screen. I liked PushingUpRoses' Let's Play of F*ck Quest that she played alongside Oancitizen because near the end of the playthrough, during a particularly nauseating bit, it showed their horrified and disgusted reactions to the game's "climax" (pun intended). And it was hilarious.
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GrahamRocks!

I don't remember there being a webcam for PUR's LP of that?

Numbers

The windows showing PUR and Oancitizen's reactions are only shown at the very end. You kind of have to sit through the rest of the game leading up to that point to get it. The uncensored version is even funnier when you realize what they're seeing.
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GrahamRocks!

I remember watching that LP, but I don't remember that. Or maybe I just blocked so much of that game from my mind. Y'know... it's meant to be a Leisure Suit Larry parody, and I'll be the first to admit that LSL isn't one of my favorites. I could rant all day about how I wished they'd stopped after 3, since things were ended so perfectly. 5 had a plot, but it didn't engage me at all, and all I wanted was to see Larry and Patti get back together... and even THAT got screwed over at the end! 6 had NO plot whatsoever, other than "Larry goes to resort with pretty ladies, hijinks ensue" and the only part of that I liked was the ending. It just seemed a rehash of the first game where Larry had the motive of "I want to get laid!" which hijinks like these were fine in the first game because that was the point. Here, no need. 7 was annoying to me too, none of the characters were appealing to me, not even Larry anymore. You know a game is bad when the only time I laughed was during the Clinton Comedy stuff, which I don't think was meant to be funny, and the only reason I laughed was I like puns, good and bad. It says something when LSL Reloaded, a game reviled by the fandom (why I'm not sure), makes me laugh harder than any of the later games from the Ways to Die.

...Wow I really got sidetracked from my original point, didn't I? Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, as a LSL parody it's not nearly as funny and when LSL cracks sex jokes they either go for obvious or subtlety. That game went for the former and wasn't funny.

Speaking of LPs, you know what I'd like to see? Whether it's done by me someday or someone else, I'd love to see someone do an LP of TSL that ISN'T blind. If I had the proper equipment and knew how to work it (I don't), I could probably do it. Played all four episodes three times now, once when I first got it, the second just for fun, and the third was due to me wanting to do my final project for Drawing II in college as a tribute to it and I needed screenshots. The only puzzle I ever have trouble with is the one where you look for two certain items in a certain hedge maze.

Numbers

Huh...upon looking it up, it appears that Love for Sail, which you claim to hate, was actually extremely well-received.

Then Magna Cum Laude came (unintentional pun) and the series rapidly went downhill. As Al Lowe put it, Magna Cum Laude was "like getting a videotape from your son's kidnapper; on the one hand, you're glad he's still alive, but on the other, my God, look what they've done to him!"

Then...Box Office Bust. Where to start. You know how sometimes a new game in a franchise will come out, and it'll face withering criticism, and you think to yourself, "Ah, it's just unpleasable fanboys, it can't possibly be that bad?" And then you actually see footage of the game, and it really is that bad? That's Box Office Bust for me. I didn't believe the negativity surrounding it, but then I saw gameplay footage of it...It's kind of like when Sonic 2006 came out. I thought, "eh, Sonic's got a lot of diehard fanboys who hate change, I'm sure there's nothing really wrong with it." And then I saw this (hilarious) review of it:



Um. Well.

Sierra's had their fair share of franchise killers. Mask of Eternity, Space Quest 6, Quest for Glory 5...but none of them come close to being as bad as Box Office Bust, which is considered one of the worst games of all time. Not just one of the worst adventure games, one of the worst games, period. It's literally a miracle how bad the game is. On IMDB, Love For Sail has an 8.6/10. Box Office Bust has a 3/10.
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GrahamRocks!

Wow....

And yeah, I knew about MCL and BOB already. All my knowledge of LSL comes from Rudy from Sierra Chest, and he hasn't done those yet. Or Reloaded, for that matter. So I barely have any knowledge on them yet. *shrugs* Aside from Bennett the Sage's review of BOB anyway.

What's Magna Cum Laude a pun of, though? I know, I know, I'm naive.

Hey, I liked Quest for Glory 5, dammit! I liked SQ6 too, but not nearly as much as I loved 5. I liked it better than 4, though.

Here's a pretty good review by ClementJ642, which was my introduction to not only him and his Let's Plays, but also Sonic and Mega Man. And Banjo Kazooie. Look, I was a Nintendo kid growing up, I had an NES but very few games for it, and never owned an N64. I know, how sad.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dCwwxCL4iyw

Numbers

I didn't say it was wrong to like Quest for Glory 5 and Space Quest 6, I was just saying that they ended their respective franchises after they clearly peaked with previous entries. For the record, I hate Space Quest 4 and love 5. I don't see why 4 gets so much adoration. Annoying hard-to-remember passwords that reset with each new game, a lousy arcade section, and a buggy-as-hell finale that moves in slow motion. What's to like?

Quest for Glory 4 was also definitely the high point in the series, after which 5 was pretty "meh" in comparison. Early 3D graphics did not help.

As for Magna Cum Laude, its definition, taken directly from Wikipedia:

"Latin honors (Latin honours) are Latin phrases used to indicate the level of distinction with which an academic degree was earned. This system is primarily used in Indonesia, the Philippines, the United States, and many countries of continental Europe, although some institutions use translations of these phrases rather than the Latin originals."

Magna Cum Laude is Latin for "with great honor." The only thing special about it is that the word "cum" is in it. As per LSL fashion.
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GrahamRocks!

QuoteI didn't say it was wrong to like Quest for Glory 5 and Space Quest 6, I was just saying that they ended their respective franchises after they clearly peaked with previous entries. For the record, I hate Space Quest 4 and love 5. I don't see why 4 gets so much adoration. Annoying hard-to-remember passwords that reset with each new game, a lousy arcade section, and a buggy-as-hell finale that moves in slow motion. What's to like?
Wow, I never thought I'd find someone who didn't like 4. Though I don't like it for different reasons. I don't like it because of the plot and can't stand the acting (save The Narrator of course!), or at least, can't stand Roger Jr.'s acting anyway. Also, one of the things I loved about SQ5 is the fact that Roger actually grew as a character (at least I saw it, dunno about you) and became smarter. Also, the ending is frigging PERFECT- he's not a lowly janitor anymore, he's a Captain. He's got Beatrice who loves him and the future is now secure. He's got a crew who respects him as both their superior and a friend.

And 6 just throws all of that out the window because that's apparently not funny, making Roger out to be a bumbler again, and acting like 5 never happened.

No mention of Gabriel Knight 3?

QuoteQuest for Glory 4 was also definitely the high point in the series, after which 5 was pretty "meh" in comparison. Early 3D graphics did not help.
I don't think it was "meh", I think it's fun! It's my second favorite! Not a perfect game, mind you, but still one of my favorites. For one thing, I HATE THE CLOCK! People complaining about it being too combat oriented... well, I'm playing a Paladin at the moment. Combat is kinda the thing with that class and Fighter anyway, and even then, I have Awe which I use for the first couple Rites anyway. Nobody gets hurt! :) As for the Wizard... you really think that when I have such a huge arsenal of spells (including the Game Breaker Frostbite spell!) that I won't use them to fight back? Now, I haven't played as a Thief yet, so maybe that's where they're coming from about too much combat... but I remember I saw an achievement at the end that said "Go through (I can't remember if was the fishing villages or the fortress or both) without setting off the alarm" so you could probably sneak your way through it.

QuoteAs for Magna Cum Laude, its definition, taken directly from Wikipedia:

"Latin honors (Latin honours) are Latin phrases used to indicate the level of distinction with which an academic degree was earned. This system is primarily used in Indonesia, the Philippines, the United States, and many countries of continental Europe, although some institutions use translations of these phrases rather than the Latin originals."

Magna Cum Laude is Latin for "with great honor." The only thing special about it is that the word "cum" is in it. As per LSL fashion.
Ah. Thanks!

Neonivek

I don't really think Quest for Glory 5 was really a "bad" game.

But as far as the series is concerned 4 was the definitive end of the series there wasn't anywhere to go after that.

So what is your goal of 5? To simply become the greatest hero who was ever lived. Which is fine, it is probably the only way you could do it.

The 5th is different but let me get something straight.

Mask Of Eternity was dreadful because not only was it a bad game but it wasn't a Kings Quest game...

Quest for Glory 5 is a serviceable game and it does everything a Quest For Glory game should.

GrahamRocks!

*nods in agreement and smiles* :)

To be honest, I think actually get better it goes along. For me, Wages of War is where things REALLY start getting good. :)

Jack Stryker

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I liked QFG5, but it did have problems. 

Like all those unnecessary greet options in conversations, when the person is clearly aware of your presence and has already greeted you.  (which is actually more of a problem with the QFG series in general)  The worst example is when you first see Toro in the guild and greet him after he previously said "Good see hero man", only to hear him say it again.  I heard you the first time, Toro!  I'm not deaf, you know!

Or how the wizard was supposed to "solve Naxos without alarm."  Why is that a job for a WIZARD?!  That should be something for a THIEF to do, not a wizard!  Speaking of which, playing a thief in that mission was pretty lame too, as sneaking did pretty much no good at all.  You'd think the game would let you go knocking out all the invaders and stealthily make your way into the main hut to get the sigil.  But if you try to, it says "This is not the time or place for a blackjack attack."  Bullshit!  It's the PERFECT time AND place for a blackjack attack!  Plus, the only way to get into the main hut was to either force your way through the door or knock.  Either way, alerting 3 or 4 armed soldiers to your presence.  Why is he not able to pick the lock and open it carefully, or climb through a window?  He's supposed to AVOID combat, not embrace it!  That's a FIGHTER's job!

Also, when breaking into Minos' mansion to get the blackbird, who's stupid idea was it for alarms to go off after disarming traps, when opening the containers with fireproof oil on doesn't alert anyone?  It should be the other way around.  I mean... who's going to hear an explosion in the room they're guarding and not want to investigate?  And how on earth could they possibly know that someone's stealing from a container in there, if the thief DISARMED the trap?

I'll say this for the thief though.  When engaged to Nawar, at least he returns her embrace in that guild cutscene in the end.  Any hero engaged to Elsa, Katrina, or Erana just stands there with his arms down; while she goes up to him and embraces him.  Some lover he is!