Can't count on anyone

[Oldbushie]

True, unless you used paper clips and duct tape to put it back together.

[Jeysie]

Never underestimate duct tape. It's like the Force... it has a light side, and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

Peace & Luv, Liz

[copycat]

True, unless you used paper clips and duct tape to put it back together.

Paper clips in a VCR? That can't be good. Better just stick to duct tape alone, then.
Use the Force wisely, Jeysie.

[copycat]

Oh, I found some info on Daylight Saving Time . It was too boring for me to finish reading, though  

Well, I did and I can't find any appliances, except the lighting that could possible result in any energy saving. But, even without DST, the nights would get shorter, so as that continues, the house lights will go on later and later, we don't need DST for that. On the other hand, when you start DST, the sun goes down an hour later, but it gets up an hour later too. So, in the beginning of DST, it may well be possible that the time you have gained in the evening, you lose in the morning, so there isn't any saving at all. It just goes from evening to morning. After a time, due to normal circumstances, in the morning the sun will come up sooner, but that's once again not thanks to DST.  In short, I think that study of the American Ministry of Transportation and Energy is invalid and not applicable for this energy-efficient house(hold).

[Storm]

Like it's mentioned on the link I posted, DST just transfers one hour of light from the morning. Since more people are awake in the evening, it's better to have that extra hour of light in the evening rather than just sleep through it in the morning.

Maybe in your house you don't see a significant difference in the electricity bill, but since the "saving" is something like 3% it would be noticable mostly on a national scale.
You shouldn't be so quick to judge the validity of the  American Ministry of Transportation and Energy's study. I'm pretty sure they know a bit more on the subject than both you and I.

[Oldbushie]

As far as I can recall, it was originally made for farmers, so they would get the most amount of work done in light hours during the summer or something like that. It never had anything to do with conservation of electricity.

[copycat]

As far as I can recall, it was originally made for farmers, so they would get the most amount of work done in light hours during the summer or something like that.

Can't be, normally farmers get up when the sun gets up and go to sleep when the sun gets down, so at what time that happens, is of very little, or even no, importance.

You shouldn't be so quick to judge the validity of the  American Ministry of Transportation and Energy's study. I'm pretty sure they know a bit more on the subject than both you and I.

Notice how I said:for this energy-efficient house(hold). in the same sentence as invalid and without any comma's seperating those two words. A study of the American Ministry of Transportation and Energy might be valid for the average American house(hold), but given the fact the average American house consumes more electricity than the average European one, so is not necessarily transferrable to other world-areas.

[Jeysie]

Well, it certainly doesn't do anything for my household. I stay up way past sundown, and get up past sunup. And the quality of light from my apartment's window layout means I need the inner lights on even while the sun's still up, so I can see stuff properly.

Plus, I would think that the majority of electricity usage would come from businesses, not residences. They have the lights and everything else on all the time, whether it's daylight or not.

You ask me, I think it's just a matter of that the higher-ups think giving up DST is too much of a hassle, so they feed us lines to make us continue to comply with it fairly unquestioningly.

Peace & Luv, Liz

[Storm]

Farmers don't necessarily go to sleep at sunset, at least not in my country. But if they do wake up at sunrise they would benefit from the Daylight Saving, as they wouldn't have to get up as early.

I don't know about the difference in electricity usage between Europe and the US, but countries don't use Daylight Savings because they like the power-trip they get of making the sun rise an hour late. Daylight Saving isn't a government conspiracy, and wouldn't have been put to use unless there was some benefit to it.

[copycat]

Farmers don't necessarily go to sleep at sunset, at least not in my country. But if they do wake up at sunrise they would benefit from the Daylight Saving, as they wouldn't have to get up as early.

If they did, they'd just go to bed as the sun set down and get back up as the sun came up, whether the clocks at that time would be one or another time would be of no importance.

Daylight Saving isn't a government conspiracy, and wouldn't have been put to use unless there was some benefit to it.

Oh, but slowly the con's are gaining more and more support so maybe I'll get to see DST abandoned yet (too bad there isn't a yearly evaluation).

[copycat]

There are a few states in the US which do not use DST.

Where should I migrate to? I keep getting 'Green Card'-ads on my webmail, maybe I should take that offer.

[Storm]

There are a few states in the US which do not use DST.

Where should I migrate to? I keep getting 'Green Card'-ads on my webmail, maybe I should take that offer.

Sure, if you want to live in Hawaii, Arizona, or the part of Indiana that doesn't use DST  

[Jeysie]

Why do you claim that Daylight Savings isn't as efficient today as it was when it was first introduced?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how it could be. The only electricity use nowadays that would be affected is lighting, I would think. And as I said, public buildings pretty much have the lighting on the whole time they're open, daylight or no. People spend far more time indoors here the US than they used to, and unless you have a good window layout or really good eyesight you're likely going to need some lights on even while it's still daylight anyway. So... where is all this magic savings coming from?

Peace & Luv, Liz

[Storm]

Like I said... I don't know where it's coming from, but it must be coming from SOMEWHERE, otherwise they wouldn't be using it. That's my argument. I rest here  

[Jeysie]

I don't know about your country, Storm, but you definitely have too much faith in the US if you think we do anything for logical reasons.

Peace & Luv, Liz

[Say]

Where should I migrate to? I keep getting 'Green Card'-ads on my webmail, maybe I should take that offer.

hahaha if you knew somewhat spanish I would suggest Venezuela haha, oh well there are still other pwetty beautiful places out there, maybe erm... Greece? or Egipt... or Scotland ...

[Jeysie]

If you don't mind liberals, you can move here to MA, CC. Although you'll still be stuck with DST.

Peace & Luv, Liz

[Louisiana Night]

I don't like DST, but it doesn't bother me.