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King's Quest 2016

Started by GrahamRocks!, March 14, 2016, 12:28:32 PM

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Birdy

Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 26, 2016, 02:33:02 PM
To Birdy: [spoiler]I'm talking about Hornswoggle the Dragon. Think back to the earlier episodes, that Dragon was brought up either in dialogue or actually seen as a threat physically, and otherwise symbolic of fear. The Magic Mirror showed us a vision in chapter two that had an older Graham being confronted by Hornswoggle (either chained or flying freely depending on your choice in chapter 1) with him clearly looking (as well as the environment) as he does in chapter 5.

In chapter 5 though? The scene never happens and that flying scaly beast never shows his ugly head at all. Yes, there's fire besetting Daventry (and watching the King's Glen and the town be burned was really heartwrenching to watch, especially the tree), which is implied to be from him originally, but he's never actually seen or confronted with.

The reason why I'm so bitter about the fandom is because all those complaints they got about chapter 1, particularly the QTEs/action/arcade sequences (or whatever you want to call them), seemed like it really got to them and they decided to remove any sequences that were originally going to have them (Matt Korba even has mentioned somewhere, Twitter I think, that they removed all QTE sequences in future chapters past 1), meaning that there are plot points dropped and formed into plot holes. Hornswoggle is a big one, but others IIRC were stuff like chapter 2 being longer, and you'd actually be able to interact with Mordon a LOT more in it, as well as bringing back Whisper and Acorn for this chapter.

It really bugs the hell out of me because not only was I really anticipating that encounter, but I feel like TOG was being forced into making something that would satisfy the fandom (nevermind that fandom is NEVER satisfied no matter what you do) rather than doing what they wanted to do with it. It's good that they listen to criticism... but they shouldn't have had to drop such a huge plot point that they built up for so long just because naysayers were hating what was put out. Go with your gut, as Amaya says![/spoiler]

Oooh, that makes sense... It does feel a bit dodgy and rushed in places. I did expect this game to take a lot more risks than it did, its a shame that had to happen  :-\

GrahamRocks!

[spoiler]Now granted, I certainly didn't mind the idea of Graham's memories being fuzzy and changing and fading away over time, as given the narrative structure and his age, that's bound to happen... but I still wish the idea hadn't come at the cost of cutting out stuff like that. Cutting out lines of dialogue is one thing, interesting worldbuilding sure, but not necessarily required to enjoy the story. But removing an entire big plot point like that with all that build up and foreshadowing to it? They shouldn't have folded. Either they could have buckled down against them and put it in anyway, or they could have at least made it an optional thing to go through the arcade sequence/s and otherwise just have it be a cutscene or try a different method of doing it if QTE wasn't everyone's style.[/spoiler]

Rock Knight

I wish they had called this something other than King's Quest, and not sullied the KQ brand name with Tumblr memes and making Graham bi.


Bludshot

I'd be very into a Bi Graham but where are you getting that impression?

Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 26, 2016, 04:47:35 PM
Uh, that's been planned since the very beginning actually. It's going to be released sometime this year IIRC, and it's given to anyone who preordered the game. Though that might change I don't know. From what little I know about it, it's involving Gwendolyn going on her first adventure and is more a much more lighthearted episode.

I hope it does, I didn't preorder, granted, from skepticism but considering I actually paid more in the long run I'll be pretty ticked if I can't access it, if it is a proper episode I don't mind paying.
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Rock Knight

Quote from: Bludshot on October 27, 2016, 04:02:32 PM
I'd be very into a Bi Graham but where are you getting that impression?

Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 26, 2016, 04:47:35 PM
Uh, that's been planned since the very beginning actually. It's going to be released sometime this year IIRC, and it's given to anyone who preordered the game. Though that might change I don't know. From what little I know about it, it's involving Gwendolyn going on her first adventure and is more a much more lighthearted episode.

I hope it does, I didn't preorder, granted, from skepticism but considering I actually paid more in the long run I'll be pretty ticked if I can't access it, if it is a proper episode I don't mind paying.

The relationship with Achaka and the general Tumblr vibe of the game.

Numbers

I don't think Graham looked at Achaka and was struck by love at first sight. He didn't even know what Achaka looked like under his armor. There's a difference between two characters of the male gender being "bros," and having feelings for each other that signals bisexuality. If anything, it's the fans who took the "Graham was in love with Achaka" concept and ran with it, not the game itself. Graham felt an overwhelming sense of guilt over Achaka's death, hence his hesitance to continue with the competition, but he didn't actually lose the love of his life. He interacted with Achaka for probably 15 minutes at the most...not that that prevents fanfiction writers from doing what they do.
I have no mouth, and I must scream.

GrahamRocks!

True, yeah. I don't mind the pairing, and I have seen it done well, but I think most who write those stories acknowledge that it's just an AU and not insisting that it was true all along or that that's something they wanted absolutely to happen in game. Especially when they managed to pull off the Graham and Valanice relationship (no matter which lady you choose) so well.

kyranthia

Quote from: Numbers on October 26, 2016, 12:33:10 PM
So, for those of you who played it to completion: I haven't played or seen any of it yet, nor do I plan to until the epilogue is out, but did it satisfy you? And more importantly, was it as sexual, foul-mouthed and gory as I was hoping it would be?

Heh.

In all honesty, I liked the odd numbered chapters and was disappointed in the even numbered ones. 

Yes, there are some things even in the odd numbered chapters I wasn't a fan of, but overall, I enjoyed them.

It's a fun game.  It's nice little reboot to the series.  Perfect?  No, but fun.

And I know this was a lot earlier in the thread what the difference of a reboot and a reimagining are but to me, a reboot is more faithful to the source material.  Yeah, it changes things and some character traits/backstories but you still know what story will be followed.  To me, a reimagining takes established characters and does its own thing with just little hints towards the original story.  (I dunno if I'm right on that though.)   

Rock Knight

You have it backwards. A reboot takes all existing continuity except for maybe a few characters' names and erases it. IE Batman is always Batman, but his interactions with the Joker are always different depending on which continuity you're in James Bond always has to defeat the SPECTRE Organization, both in the original series and the reboot series, but the way in which its handled is vastly different between the two universes and they share little more than name in commonality.

Bludshot

Googled it and did see some cute fanart for Graham/Achacka. But yeah I didn't really get a romantic vibe from those two on the actual game.

Also if anyone is bisexual in the royal fam it is the children. Rosella is making bedroom eyes at Genesta and Alexander and Jollo are always realllll happy to see each other.
Deep Thoughts with Connor Mac Lyrr
"Alack! The heads do not die!"

Numbers

#430
The real question is, who wouldn't be happy to see Jollo?

EDIT: As a side note, another series that got rebooted this year was the aforementioned Ratchet and Clank. They claimed it was a re-imagining. Guess what? It's a reboot. Although it's handled more gracefully than most reboots, it's still a reboot, no matter what wordplay was used to justify it. And as Zero Punctuation pointed out in their review of it, it's all well and good and certainly one of the better PS4 titles out there, but you can't help but be reminded of the original PS2 run, and how much more edge it had than the current one does. EDGE, u guyz.
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Birdy

So here's a question: What exactly was that item you get from each of the villagers for? I thought it would come into play in the fifth chapter, but apparently not.

Bludshot

Yeah very underwhelming, it's basically just a souvenir in Graham's bedroom at the end of the game.
Deep Thoughts with Connor Mac Lyrr
"Alack! The heads do not die!"

Numbers

I'm just taking a shot in the dark here, but I'm going to guess that it was another thing that got cut from the final game for time/money constraints.
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Jack Stryker

Or it could be brought up in the epilogue.

Rock Knight

-Sigh-
Letting the bitter old curmudgeon go for a minute and embracing the 5 year old who first fell in love with these games....Chapter V was the KQ9 I was looking for. Flawed the series is, but it is a love letter to KQ fans as well. I hope a Season 2 comes.

Birdy

From Facebook, a sneak peek at the epilogue:


Numbers

...and then the bear from KQ5 comes out and punches her in the face.
I have no mouth, and I must scream.

GrahamRocks!


GrahamRocks!

I just completed the Epilogue today and MY GOD IT WAS ADORABLE!