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Re: Progress???
« Reply #160 on: June 04, 2007, 10:11:47 PM »
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Truly, we're all here because we love KQ and we want to see a sequel. I don't understand why so many people are joining just to be so antagonistic. It's not going to make the game come out faster. It's not going to get updates. It's not going to convince everyone you're right. The only reason I can see is stress relief, and honestly, if you have so much stress you're taking it out on a group of KQ fans that are trying to make a game to give a fitting end to a series we care about, then I'm not quite sure what to say about you. If you think the game is taking too long, then sign up for the newsletter and get on with your life. The newsletter will tell you when it's done, mkay? If you're here to socialize with other fans of KQ or TSL, then have fun. We've got a great group of people here. If you're here to troll, you're better off going somewhere else.

This is the "Fan Feedback" section, where we are told to share our assessments of the team's progress thus far. If we happen to have a negative opinion of said progress, I think we should be allowed to express it without being told we're being antagonistic and trolling. Just because a person doesn't like something doesn't mean they're saying so to be a jackass. It's offensive to be told that my opinion is somehow less worthy of expression because I'm not praising something, and just because you weren't addressing me personally doesn't mean the sentiment didn't apply.

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Re: Progress???
« Reply #161 on: June 04, 2007, 10:32:32 PM »
Well as long as we're expressing opinions, I think this thread ought to be closed.
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Re: Progress???
« Reply #162 on: June 05, 2007, 12:56:30 AM »
I think closing a thread because people are disagreeing is a horrible idea.

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Re: Progress???
« Reply #163 on: June 05, 2007, 05:17:08 AM »
This is futile. POS will release something when they're ready and they know fans are getting fed up by the lack of progress reports. There's little else the fans (fed up or otherwise) can do and letting this die might just be easiest.
 
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Re: Progress???
« Reply #164 on: June 05, 2007, 05:38:00 AM »
This is the "Fan Feedback" section, where we are told to share our assessments of the team's progress thus far. If we happen to have a negative opinion of said progress, I think we should be allowed to express it without being told we're being antagonistic and trolling. Just because a person doesn't like something doesn't mean they're saying so to be a jackass. It's offensive to be told that my opinion is somehow less worthy of expression because I'm not praising something, and just because you weren't addressing me personally doesn't mean the sentiment didn't apply.
Yes, "Fan Feedback." Someone signing up and then coming straight here to bag it doesn't exactly seem like a fan. I understand that alot of people lurk, but seriously if you sign up and then come here to bag, you're gonna get misinterpreted as trolling. Someone who has been signed up for a while and has posted once or twice, or checks every now and then, I'd say is a fan that can definitely express their negative opinions, without being accused of trolling. But otherwise yes, it does come across as trolling, even if the person doesn't mean to troll.
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Re: Progress???
« Reply #165 on: June 05, 2007, 06:51:31 AM »
Closing threads is a waste of time. People will open new ones. It has happened before, several threads have been closed over this already.  The only way to silence such thoughts is to ban the people saying them and prohibit the subject from being broached, like you have politics. I don't particularly recommend it, but that is the only way to end this debate.

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Re: Progress???
« Reply #166 on: June 05, 2007, 09:28:03 AM »
I realize that I was too harsh in my last post (I'm not gonna quote it), and I apologize. I just get frustrated reading these forums (and telling me to stop reading them isn't gonna work).  I'm usually a pasive reader. I've been registered for almost a year and what, this is my 15th post? And I'm sorry if I have other things to do than continually post in these forums.

But take a break guys! Why in the world, when someone simply asks for a few more updates, would you say:
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If you think the game is taking too long, then sign up for the newsletter and get on with your life. The newsletter will tell you when it's done, mkay?.

I mean, are you serious? Fans want updates, and you tell them to sign up for the newsletter and then forget about the website? I apologize for blaspheming against the great POS. Excommunicate me guess. All we want is a few updates now and then. Yes, we understand that the pattern is an update every year or so. If we were ok with that, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. You guys want the fans opinions as long as they are praising you and saying how wonderful you are for taking time away from spending with your dear sweet family and friends, but as soon as we see something that maybe could use some improvement the forums get closed.

The unfortunate thing is that both "sides" now feel that they have to defend themselves, when really we should all be working together, trying to build the fan base's CONTINUED interest in the project.

Go ahead, accuse me of trolling. I could just as easily accuse you of having no life and not seeing sunlight in who knows how long. BUT, I'm not going to :)  Theres too little time in life to get upset over a Kings Quest sequel.

EDIT: I should mention that I realize that POS owes us nothing. This isn't their fultime job or anything, and I understand that. But it can't be that hard for a programmer to hit the Print Screen button and send the images to the Web Guys once in a while, right?
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Re: Progress???
« Reply #167 on: June 05, 2007, 05:05:30 PM »
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Yes, "Fan Feedback." Someone signing up and then coming straight here to bag it doesn't exactly seem like a fan. I understand that alot of people lurk, but seriously if you sign up and then come here to bag, you're gonna get misinterpreted as trolling. Someone who has been signed up for a while and has posted once or twice, or checks every now and then, I'd say is a fan that can definitely express their negative opinions, without being accused of trolling. But otherwise yes, it does come across as trolling, even if the person doesn't mean to troll.

I signed up about a year ago to ask about a song from the "Making of" video that turned out to be "The Day You Were Gone." When this discussion came along, I figured I already had an account and I had an opinion on the subject, so why not contribute?

Just because you post on a message board about something doesn't mean you are or aren't a fan. If someone has been checking the site, following the project's progress, etc, but never had anything to say about it until they felt something negative, they're still fans. Anyone has a right to express a negative opinion, not just someone who's had a forums account for a while.

And you can be a fan and have a negative opinion about something related to the subject of your fandom. I'm a Stephen King fan, but I absolutely hated "Cell." Saying so doesn't disqualify me somehow. In the same vein, I'm a King's Quest fan who has been looking forward to this game, and yet I have a negative opinion on the way it's being handled.
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Re: Progress???
« Reply #168 on: June 05, 2007, 10:21:39 PM »
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, whether it's negative or not.  As long as your opinion is expressed in a non-offensive manner (i.e. no personal attacks), you are free to speak it. 

However, this issue in particular is one that has been going on for years.  From as far back as I can remember, fans have always been wanting "more", regardless of how much we release.  We've done monthly updates and even weekly updates at one point, but still people complained because they weren't getting enough (more specifically, they weren't getting exactly what they want).  There is no difference between then and now.

Yes, we (i.e. both fans and staff) would all wish the game was completed yesterday, but in reality, things take time and require patience.  Our priority is not on continually posting screenshots or revealing massive spoilers about the game.  It has never been.  The only time we do release such things are during special occasions and events. 

Our priority right now is on finishing the game.  We will (as we always have) release information/media/dates when we decide the time is right.  No amount of begging/nagging/complaining will change that, because none of those things will make development proceed any faster.

Your opinions do get passed onto the PR staff and directive staff frequently.  However, repeating the same things over and over accomplishes nothing more than frustration and stress for all.  Shadows is massive and requires teamwork, motivation, communication and hard work.  If you are not qualified to help get the game done any faster, the best thing you can do is to just be supportive.  The team appreciates praise over rantings because the former at least makes them remember why they're giving up their time for this game in the first place.

This discussion is obviously one that will never end, since you simply can't satisfy everyone 100% of the time.  Thankfully, the nice thing to remember in all this is that despite whatever certain people presume about the game's progress, it continues to increase day after day.
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Re: Progress???
« Reply #169 on: June 05, 2007, 11:14:46 PM »
You know, Yonkey, I've always liked you. You make some good points. I've done way too much complaining around here as of late. What can I say, the rantings of someone who just refuses to believe he'll have to wait longer to play Kings Quest! I really am excited about the game.  I do wish there were more updates, but you know, I also wish the game was done, and that I'd get into Dental School, and that my mother-in-law wasn't so crazy; ya just don't always get what you want I guess :)

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« Reply #170 on: June 06, 2007, 04:07:18 AM »
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Yes, "Fan Feedback." Someone signing up and then coming straight here to bag it doesn't exactly seem like a fan. I understand that alot of people lurk, but seriously if you sign up and then come here to bag, you're gonna get misinterpreted as trolling. Someone who has been signed up for a while and has posted once or twice, or checks every now and then, I'd say is a fan that can definitely express their negative opinions, without being accused of trolling. But otherwise yes, it does come across as trolling, even if the person doesn't mean to troll.

I signed up about a year ago to ask about a song from the "Making of" video that turned out to be "The Day You Were Gone." When this discussion came along, I figured I already had an account and I had an opinion on the subject, so why not contribute?

Just because you post on a message board about something doesn't mean you are or aren't a fan. If someone has been checking the site, following the project's progress, etc, but never had anything to say about it until they felt something negative, they're still fans. Anyone has a right to express a negative opinion, not just someone who's had a forums account for a while.

And you can be a fan and have a negative opinion about something related to the subject of your fandom. I'm a Stephen King fan, but I absolutely hated "Cell." Saying so doesn't disqualify me somehow. In the same vein, I'm a King's Quest fan who has been looking forward to this game, and yet I have a negative opinion on the way it's being handled.
I didn't say you had to be a member for ages, I stated that if you sign up and then say something negative, it could be misinterpreted as trolling. You might be a fan even if you suddenly sign up, but others may not see it that way.
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Re: Progress???
« Reply #171 on: June 06, 2007, 06:17:43 AM »
You know, Yonkey, I've always liked you. You make some good points.

He does have a way with words, doesn't he? He can say exactly what I want to say without stumbling over his words and in the nicest way possible. I try to...and I fail XD I've really got to take some lessons :P
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Re: Progress???
« Reply #172 on: June 07, 2007, 04:19:23 PM »
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You might be a fan even if you suddenly sign up, but others may not see it that way.

And I will be happy to correct others' misunderstandings about it.

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« Reply #173 on: June 09, 2007, 04:38:21 PM »
The same things are getting recycled over and over again in this thread.  I think the biggest source of frustration is that no one has any idea when TSL will come out.  Heck AGD and Infamous Adventures have put out free games and even if they were remakes, it was at least satisfying to play them.
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« Reply #174 on: June 09, 2007, 06:08:55 PM »
Funny that you should mention AGDI, as they've been getting these sort of threads about QFG2 for the past few weeks too.
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« Reply #175 on: June 13, 2007, 10:55:40 AM »
I personally think that the TSL staff can take all the time they need to complete the game, I would just like it if they actually told us they are still working on it instead of everyone presuming that they were suddenly killed in a car crash because no one has heard anything from them for the past 4 months.
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« Reply #176 on: June 24, 2007, 08:28:24 PM »
My opinion about whats been going on with the TSL project is that people like me and other KQ fans are used to games being released 2 years after they are announced like sierra used to do. However wheather we like it or not there is a 50% chance of this TSL team even getting part 1 done let alone all the others. The problem from the start was there simply wasn't enough designers and time [despite the fact that the project started somwhere around 2003, which means they had 4 years give or take]. If the TSL Team gets some more updates or something fun to keep us busy the team might not get so many complaints. I hope that helps clear any confusion.  :) 

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« Reply #177 on: June 25, 2007, 07:10:00 AM »
What was the confusion?
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« Reply #178 on: June 26, 2007, 03:19:59 PM »
TSL, My appologies. Every single day I have waited and hoped to see, to read to explore somthing new, to no avail. I think that its time to stop waiting, to stop checking and disapointing myself. I will always stay true to the legacy of KQ, its something that myself and my father shared, but instead of beating myself up about waiting, I'm going to give up. You guys are heros in my eyes, you've tried to relight a fire that has long been put out, but your trying with two stones not flint. Its hard on you guys and I can respect that, but I can't spend several hours of my day waiting anymore. I will keep hoping, but I wont visit quite so often. I've grown fond of chating with many of you, you are all excellent people, perhaps one day, we will converse about just how incredible TSL Game really was.

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« Reply #179 on: June 26, 2007, 03:39:06 PM »
If the TSL Team gets some more updates or something fun to keep us busy the team might not get so many complaints.

Have you checked out the flash games they made for that very purpose?  ::)
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