Cat's Thread Returns!

[FataliOmega]

Yes, if I want to make stone into gold, the changes required do not need to be known (simply willed). The problem is, for example, what if I don't know what gold IS?

How do we determine whether someone is infinitely powerful, or simply awesomely powerful?

(constraint questions, from most restrictive, to least)

1) Is it that there is something they cannot do?
2) Is it that there is something they cannot do, within a specified bracket of time?

3) Is it that there is something they refuse to do?
4) Is it that there is something they refuse to do, within a specified bracket of time?

5) Is it that there is something they will not do?
6) Is it that there is something they will not do, within a specified bracket of time?

I argue that the case of someone not possessing the knowledge of something, since they 'can' gain the knowledge of that something, and therefore do it, should the circumstance arise, would fall under (6,) should they not seek that particular knowledge.

Additionally, numbers 3-6, I believe, to not be disqualifiers for omnipotency.

one has more POTENTIAL power, the other more practical power).

/agree, and in the case of a non-omnipotent being, these two are different. For an omnipotent being who 'can' do whatever he likes at speeds that are faster than a moment, he can go from a 'potential' state, to a 'practical' state instantly. So. potential == practical in this case. There is never a time in which an omnipotent cannot do something. If knowledge is required, it can be gained so fast that it is known at the time necessary.

He'd get angry, kick a rock, and him and the universe go boom.
Though, seriously, I think anyone (capable of basic human thought and awareness) would notice something, like, say, noticing a guy shot at him and he grabbed the arrow due to an automatic reflex.

Reminds me of Bruce Almighty. Don't make him mad!

What if he was predispossed such that he would not accept that possibility. Willfully blind due to some variant of pride, for instance (or perhaps, a retardation?) I believe there are people that refuse to believe something, regardless of all evidence.

[koko_99_2001]

*head still hurts*

[FataliOmega]

Though... food for thought. If you had the choice to be omnipotent (a person offered it to you, and the offer never expires), would you consider yourself omnipotent?

Umm... Cheese and Crackers? 

[Shades2585]

*wonders Why know one has used the Court in awhile?*

Because the court called Racx as a witness and he never showed.
*hasn't mentioned it before as she is the one currently on trial*

I think it's safe to say then that it is a mistrial and you're off the hook.

Time to start a new case. 

[Yonkey]

Have Neil check the recycle bin.

Yup, the post is in there.  I can still restore it, unless you deleted it for a reason?

[Shades2585]

*head still hurts*

Koko, You sure you don't want to split this out into a new thread. I think it deserves one.

[koko_99_2001]

Have Neil check the recycle bin.

Yup, the post is in there.  I can still restore it, unless you deleted it for a reason?

I don't remember deleting it...??

[PirateKingChris]

Um Fatali...I believe your conversing is so confusing, you've caused me to have a stroke... 

[Yonkey]

I don't remember deleting it...??

It actually says Merlin deleted it... but I'm not quite sure how that works.   Probably some error happened with splitting or something.

[FataliOmega]

Um Fatali...I believe your conversing is so confusing, you've caused me to have a stroke... 

I apologize! My advice, have some advil, lay down, and relax for a lil bit. I certainly plan to. 

*gives some advil to PKC*

[koko_99_2001]

lol! As far as I know, he doesn't have mod powers

[tessspoon]

*wonders Why know one has used the Court in awhile?*

Because the court called Racx as a witness and he never showed.
*hasn't mentioned it before as she is the one currently on trial*

I think it's safe to say then that it is a mistrial and you're off the hook.

Time to start a new case. 

That'd be cool (particularly since I didn't do it in the first place!) but you never know with CC. Time doesn't have any affect in that thread.

[koko_99_2001]

I'm just going to leave it here in this thread, since ya'll are already conversing via PM And hopefully the philosophy of those posts won't end up killing my thread

[Suzie]

Merlin really IS magical?

Of course I am. Behold as I magically steal all your pants.

*snaps fingers*

Buahahahaha...

[FataliOmega]

Well, if it can actually be "won."

Doubt it. I suppose we could have our posts scored on logic, readability, and level of madness... (actually, that might be interesting...)

Well, not the one about crackers... THAT was confusing.

Remember, my brother, the cake is a lie. Think on that. 

What sort of answer is that?

Oh, very well... I think that since you can't accept omnipotency immediately, than there is atleast a brief moment in time where you are vulnerable. In other words, since you are bound by time for atleast the time it takes to think "I accept," then you are less than omnipotent. (if a truck swerves and hits you too quickly, you are dead regardless of the offer)

Both have the potential pitfall of breaking the " no controversial topics" rule.

Since we arnt discussing religion/politics, I like to think of it as "Philosophy Lite."   

Basically, it comes down to a balance between freedom and control. Which will the mods choose this time? Stand by and find out!

Since we are almost purely in the realm of theory, and both of us are known quantities (you were a previous mod,) this topic won't likely go too far in itself. The real question is, will this thread either cause others to feel uncomfortable with the forum in general, or will it inspire people to start debates of a less restrained nature. In other words, are we going to be poor role models?

Of course, can the same be said for the "Adventure/RPG" thread, or anything else with a "1 vs 2" style?

[racx_00]

Bugger! Why did the debate have to end?! I was really enjoying reading that. Is it possible to get a log of the PMs?

Because the court called Racx as a witness and he never showed.
*hasn't mentioned it before as she is the one currently on trial*

I showed up and spoke about suspicious cloaked people. So I disagree with mistrial.

Or was I called upon again?

* Thinks of old Court thread.* I though Yonkie was convicted of hurting the Teddy Bear?

Different bear.

That's because she is such a beneficent Queen that she can't see how power could lead to corruption. 

And we worship her for it. 

Bows

I'm glad that I don't bow to anyone.

[Suzie]

This definitely deserves it's own thread.

[Oldbushie]

You can only have infinite power if you are one with the entire cosmic multiverse.

*causes Pluto to gain mass so it becomes a real planet again*

[Suzie]

I miss Pluto being a real planet

[racx_00]

End?

I couldn't find time to reply until now.

End in regard to the controversial part. It was interesting, atleast I could understand it.