A change of engine, project problems, sounds like...

[beernutts]

the 1st chapter won't even be released.  I don't want to say it yet, but ITYS is close.

I hope you guys finish this thing, but I've been saying since day 730 TSL probably will never happen outside of the demo we've already seen.

[koko_99_2001]

Beenutts, I completely understand your concern. But may I ask why you continue to visit the forum and voice your pessimism when we all know where you stand.

Unlike you, I am sure this game will eventually be released. You can easily sign up for the newsletter and keep up with things that happen. That way, once the game is released, you will hear that way.

[Petra Rocks]

 Wait until the project is canceled for ITYS. I am wholly ignorant of the internal workings, progress and state of the TSL project, and I thus shall not express an opinion that would be pure speculation in any case.

 And since day 730? *This forum seriously needs a good chuckling smiley* Unless that has a slang meaning I am not aware of, you show a truly admirable recollection of the status of the TSL project and the time you have posted about it. I wish I had half as good a memory. 

[beernutts]

And since day 730? *This forum seriously needs a good chuckling smiley* Unless that has a slang meaning I am not aware of, you show a truly admirable recollection of the status of the TSL project and the time you have posted about it. I wish I had half as good a memory. 

Well, I've known about this project for a very long time (longer than most current members were a part of the team), and probably back in 2002 (I bet I found the original kq9 site at the end of 1999) I figured this project would never finish, and I expressed myself thus.  The "since day 730" was just saying I didn't say it would be finished at day 1, just after 2 years of development, and not seeing any real progress and hearing the status of the project.

Games are hard to make, especially long, good ones.  That's why i think this project bit of more than it could chew.

[PirateKingChris]

I just don't understand the reasoning. They've come this far, why would they quit now? Talk about a waste of their own time and resources.

[Yonkey]

I just don't understand the reasoning. They've come this far, why would they quit now? Talk about a waste of their own time and resources.

Don't mind beernutts.  He always comes in once or twice a year to complain about the game.  We've gotten used to him by now.

[racx_00]

Don't mind beernutts.  He always comes in once or twice a year to complain about the game.  We've gotten used to him by now.

Yeah, I've grown an attachment to him. I'd miss him if he didn't come back.

[PirateKingChris]

I noticed from reading the entirety of the "Progress?" thread. It's just obnoxious to complain about people spending their time to do something for a large group of people FOR FREE and then to get complaints about it.

[dew7]

Actually, I certainly would not mind paying for The Silver Lining if it helped to rush the project and make it even better.  I think it would be sweet if Sierra suddenly decided to make it an official King's Quest 9 and put their resources behind it to help the project as long as Sierra does not completely change the project and decides to just add their expertise and monetary support.

 

[beernutts]

I noticed from reading the entirety of the "Progress?" thread. It's just obnoxious to complain about people spending their time to do something for a large group of people FOR FREE and then to get complaints about it.

Find one place where I've "complained".   I've never complained.  I've expressed my pessimism about the project being completed.  I saw some hope when they had the voice auditions.  I saw some hope when they released the demo (although, that hope fell once I played the demo).  But, this project they've undertaken is just too massive for there development crew.  I mean, MAYBE chapter 1 will be released, but the other chapters are almost assuredly not going to be finished.  Just being realistic.

You ask how they can come so long and just quit.  If you've ever done any game development yourself, you'd realize there's so much motiviation at the start of a project.  As a project drags on and on, the motivation falls.  It's just a reality of development.  And this project is the definition of dragging on.  (For a real world example, google Duke Nukem Forever, started in 1997, still not complete.  I saw the demo of this game in 1998 at E3).

I also end my posts with the hope this game finishes, just not the assumption it will.  Good luck to the group, wake me when it's finished.

[PirateKingChris]

Well your impatience comes across as complaining, to me anyway.

[beernutts]

Well your impatience comes across as complaining, to me anyway.

Show me my impatience?  I might have been impatient for this game in 2002 or 2003, but in 2007, give me a break.  I rarely check the site any more, and when I do, I just checked the developers diaries for any updates, and then leave.

[Say]

I just don't understand the reasoning. They've come this far, why would they quit now? Talk about a waste of their own time and resources.

Aye.


But don't worry Pirate, I appreciate your support and do know you are in the right thought about it (AKA we haven't quit). Beernuts, unless Phoenix Online Studios make any announcement you can keep on just being yourself, but when it comes to addressing things to other forum members keep in mind you were once banned from the forums because people kept reporting you.

Needless to say, and this goes to everyone, be civil or take it outside of the forums. No one has done anything wrong, this is just a friendly reminder. Thanks.

[beernutts]

ut when it comes to addressing things to other forum members keep in mind you were once banned from the forums because people kept reporting you.

Needless to say, and this goes to everyone, be civil or take it outside of the forums. No one has done anything wrong, this is just a friendly reminder. Thanks.

I think I've been civil to everyone I've ever encounter on this board.  I'm sorry I give you the impression I'm vile towards everyone here;  I don't mean to.

[Petra Rocks]

I actually consider a certitude of either the project's failure or success to be somewhat illogical. And no, my ears are not pointy, before anyone asks. 

[rbadala]

I noticed from reading the entirety of the "Progress?" thread. It's just obnoxious to complain about people spending their time to do something for a large group of people FOR FREE and then to get complaints about it.

I don’t see why you think this is so hard to understand.  Nobody is complaining because someone offered to do something for them.  Let me give you an analogy.

Let’s say that someone offered to pick you up from the airport.  You are very grateful for their offer and you wait for their arrival.  When they don’t show up, you become concerned and call the person and leave a message asking “are you coming”?  They text message you back saying “yes, I am coming, just wait right there”.  So you wait, and after a long time, they don’t show.  You become concerned again, so you call again and leave a message asking “where are you”?  You get a text message back only saying, “I am coming, wait right there”.  After several rounds of this you will become frustrated and wondering if they will ever show up.  You constantly ask where they are or how long will it be, but you only get the “I’m coming, wait right there text message”. 

Do you understand now what people are complaining about?  It is the fact that they are left hanging without any explanation.  They feel that it was nice of them to offer to make the game, but if they can’t do it…at least have the decency to tell us so.  Or at the very least tell us what is going on or what the status is if they still think they can still make the game.  People don’t like to be ignored nor have their emotions toyed with.

[Say]

That actually goes both ways, rbadala. Some of you would find it rather amusing just to sit down and point out things, while we on the other side who have spent years on this are being told different things that are way far from the truth. I'm not saying you are doing it, I'm stating a fact after pages of the length of this thread. Sadly, no one seems to understand such but those who truly sympathize with the staffers, and it's not because they get insight material, it's because they believe in us still.

Then there's where the nasty comments get started, because everyone's got an opinion about everything and even though you haven't been asked to, you will share it anyways. I have been here long enough to know that by heart, otherwise I wouldn't have posted what I did.

Just for the record, and this is not pointed at anyone (I must add disclaimers all over my posts because people tend to get it personal when I reply or address specific issues. No it's not at anyone in particular, not even beernuts! and it if were I would write down their names if needed):

No one is ignoring anyone here, no one is toying with anyone's feelings, I have replied more than plenty to everyone and more than once (people do ask the same and different ones have got the same reply as well, and I'm only human I can't physically reply the same thing every single time it's being asked). Sadly, if it's not enough by far, that's all there is.

If we haven't announced a damn thing yet is because we can't, that doesn't mean we are done, or we quit or the project has stopped. Make of it as you will, I cannot repeat the same thing over and over just for the sake of it.


Oh Beernuts, I never said you did anything wrong. So no need to apologize


Now if you all excuse me, I need more coffee to brighten up my day. Cheers!

[PirateKingChris]

I was just seeing alot of negativity going on, maybe it's just me and I was reading into it wrong, but as far as I'm concerned, the game is done when it's done. It takes time to do constant updates instead of working on the game, and all the developers have lives, so leave them be.

[koko_99_2001]

I'm glad that you are so patient, PK. I know I've been around since 2003, and I've seen a lot of development since then. Yes, I know it's taking a while, but as PK said, the developers have lives...and they have lots going on in their lives. Of just the mods in the forum, I'm about to graduate with a master's degree (yes, I've made time to be a mod and complete a master's degree in speech pathology) and Jason is in school. I talked to Say for a few minutes today, and she's got a lot going on. Neil has just finished college. Alex is finishing up...and the list goes on and on and on. All this to say that none of us are being paid, so while we work on this because we love it and want to complete the game...it's not our 40 hour/week job. Thus, if something comes up that's more important, we obviously work on it.

That said...I've put off working on a final exam all day...oopsy.

[dew7]

So, Cat is it logical to think that Shadows will be released many years from now because the team is so busy with their own lives --- right?!  I just want this to be clear to all the fans so they do not get their hopes up and think it will be released this year or certainly not by summer as Rosella hopes.  I applaud the team for all the work they have done but it certainly would be nice to have some sort of time table.  I would be happier to see a time line that said Shadows will be released in 2015 and then at least a goal is set rather than just having a hope that some day the project will be finished but having no idea when it will be done.  It is like homework in school or a project for your job that must be done by a certain date and then you just make sure that it is done by that date.  I think all the fans deserve a date whether it is a year or two or ten+ years in the future.  Just my two cents for what it is worth!