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Started by koko_99_2001, September 03, 2009, 06:06:47 PM

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There is a grey area, it is called bisexual! the other 3 are quite clear (beeing able to say no to one of the questions makes it easier to put a 'label' on a person it seems... ::)) it doesn't indicate you are attracted evenly to both genders, there is no measurement in it, it is just a flowchart that helps you find out in what 'area' you are.  If you are really sexual attracted to women and only moderately attracted to men you end up in the bisexual area, shouldn't you?  :-\

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Quote from: B'rrr on May 08, 2010, 05:53:06 PM
There is a grey area, it is called bisexual! the other 3 are quite clear (beeing able to say no to one of the questions makes it easier to put a 'label' on a person it seems... ::)) it doesn't indicate you are attracted evenly to both genders, there is no measurement in it, it is just a flowchart that helps you find out in what 'area' you are.  If you are really sexual attracted to women and only moderately attracted to men you end up in the bisexual area, shouldn't you?  :-\

Not exactly. I've discussed this at educational length in the past. There certainly is a gray area, and I'll argue that it's not bisexualism.

Take for instance this guy:

And this woman:


People attracted to these two individuals have a gray area of sexuality. That is because that man is a woman, and that woman is a man.

If you saw a man kissing the guy in the first picture, you would certainly believe he was homosexual. If you saw a woman kissing the lady in the second picture, you would certainly believe she was homosexual. They are, however, kissing individuals the gender opposite of their own. Therefore, by genetic distinction, those people would be heterosexuals.

Now if a woman was kissing the guy in the first picture, you would not think anything of it, but she was actually kissing an individual of the same gender. Likewise, if a man was kissing the lady in the second picture, you would not think anything of it, but he was actually kissing an individual of the same gender. However, by genetic distinction, those people would be homosexuals.

As you can see... it is not that black and white. Although, I do like your flowchart, lol! ;D

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No, Rob, there's several sexualities. Bisexual implies an even interest in both men and women. Pansexual, for instance, also implies a sort of even interest in both men and woman but also in transgender individuals. Trisexuals are attracted to men and women (sometimes) but are (at least, from my understanding) almost primarily attracted to "genderqueer" individuals (transgender, intersex, etc.) (Although some trisexuals insist that the term actually means they'll "try anything once".)
There's even some sexualities which don't really seem to have a name -- some people are attracted to male-to-females, for instance, and I don't know what to call them.

Btw, Tage, you're fairly correct regarding sexualities but you are a little bit off-your-game regarding gender. The man you posted a picture of (the one who looks like a man, that is), is Buck Angel -- who is a female-to-male transgender. He's transitioned (even though he did not undergo any genital surgeries) but lives his life day-to-day as a man. It's incorrect to refer to him as a woman. Buck is (I think?) pansexual but were he only attracted to men, he'd be homosexual.
I know you were talking biologically (in which case, you're right) but sexuality tends to work according to gender rather than to sex so I felt that further explanation was necessary.

I don't know who the woman you posted a picture of is, but she's probably transgender as well so the same goes for her. (She might be a drag queen though, in which case she's only referred to as a woman when in drag and a man kissing her would be gay.)

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Quote from: Tage7 on May 08, 2010, 07:01:39 PM
Not exactly. I've discussed this at educational length in the past. There certainly is a gray area, and I'll argue that it's not bisexualism.

Take for instance this guy:

And this woman:


People attracted to these two individuals have a gray area of sexuality. That is because that man is a woman, and that woman is a man.

If you saw a man kissing the guy in the first picture, you would certainly believe he was homosexual. If you saw a woman kissing the lady in the second picture, you would certainly believe she was homosexual. They are, however, kissing individuals the gender opposite of their own. Therefore, by genetic distinction, those people would be heterosexuals.

Now if a woman was kissing the guy in the first picture, you would not think anything of it, but she was actually kissing an individual of the same gender. Likewise, if a man was kissing the lady in the second picture, you would not think anything of it, but he was actually kissing an individual of the same gender. However, by genetic distinction, those people would be homosexuals.

As you can see... it is not that black and white. Although, I do like your flowchart, lol! ;D

Haha, quite the catchy argument, I do have a problem though. Namely;

If I was sexual attracted to that woman (calling it a woman because he looks like it) without knowing she was a man would that make me gay? From my point of view I would be attracted to a girl, not a guy. We are actually entering a discussion of when a man is a man and a woman is a woman (yay for intersex!) instead of defining someone's sexuality. That is something completely different

Quote from: crayauchtin on May 09, 2010, 02:47:17 AM
No, Rob, there's several sexualities. Bisexual implies an even interest in both men and women. Pansexual, for instance, also implies a sort of even interest in both men and woman but also in transgender individuals. Trisexuals are attracted to men and women (sometimes) but are (at least, from my understanding) almost primarily attracted to "genderqueer" individuals (transgender, intersex, etc.) (Although some trisexuals insist that the term actually means they'll "try anything once".)
There's even some sexualities which don't really seem to have a name -- some people are attracted to male-to-females, for instance, and I don't know what to call them.

Actually, Bisexual does not mean that you have an even intrest in both, it just means you have an intrest in two, asexual in non, pan sexual in all and poly sexual in many.

Pansexual do not want to make a distinction between different kind of genders and don't agree there are only two (that is something bisexual do implicate) mostly used/introduced by transexuals who do not wish to be labeled as man/woman. So I suppose that is the political correct term to use for bisexual anyways.

However, I am not political correct, and quite simple because am still trying labeling people as man/woman (o hai hermaphrodites and other intersex possibilities  ::) :-\)

which makes it come down for me to;
If I am a guy and I like men but not women -> I am Homosexual
If I am a girl and I like women but not men -> I am Homosexual
If I am a guy and I like woman but not men -> I am Hetrosexual
If I am a girl and I like men but not woman -> I am Hetrosexual
If I neither like men nor women -> I am asexual
If I like both men and woman -> I am bi/poly/pansexual

Because seriously, if we do not try to 'label' people as men and woman, then there is no difference between sexuality at all, there is no pansexual, nor hetrosexual or homosexual, we are all just 'sexual' and there is no need to be confused about ones sexuality (so be glad Rosella!) since it is one big pile anyways!

ps. I think Trisexual is more a funny term then an established sexual orientation
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Hey guys...while it's an interesting topic, maybe we should tone it down a bit? It's still a family-friendly forum :)

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Quote from: koko_99_2001 on May 09, 2010, 06:30:34 AM
Hey guys...while it's an interesting topic, maybe we should tone it down a bit? It's still a family-friendly forum
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B'rrr

Quote from: koko_99_2001 on May 09, 2010, 06:30:34 AM
Hey guys...while it's an interesting topic, maybe we should tone it down a bit? It's still a family-friendly forum :)

We can blame Rosella for this! \o/


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Quote from: B'rrr on May 10, 2010, 04:05:18 PM- wondering if I should watch a movie and if so, which one
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