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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #220 on: September 14, 2010, 08:44:34 PM »
The CONFUSING: I may be incredibly thick, but just what is the difference between nihilism and absurdism?

That's an interesting question. I never thought about it before, but the difference is mild. Absurdism is the philosophy that all humans are alone in a world that is irrational. Nihilism rather suggests one to become skeptic of their surroundings. Nihilism suggests that their is no "truth" in the world and their is no "existence". If you saw Inception, then:
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Nihilism attacks the concept of reality, and Absurdism focuses more on isolation in an irrational world, but not necessarily a world that does not exist. I hoped my nonsensical babbling helped.  :P

I'm not sure the word "suffering" should be applied to schools of thought. :P And I was talking more about Nietzschean nihilism, in which there is a lack of objective purpose vs the kind of absurdism that Camus identified with. :) As with all philosophies, they are open to interpretations and have lots of different definitions. :P I'd love to continue this though. :)



I said "suffering" to illustrate the darker points of nihilism, but clearly, through nihilism, one can question what they thought was "real" all along. For instance, Nietzsche used Christianity as an example for his definition of nihilism. I don't want to sound apathetic to those who share the beliefs in Christianity, but Nietzsche had established that religion provides people with a "purpose", once humanity reaches a point where they don't need religion, they lose that "purpose". Thus, everyone is struck with nihilism, but not necessarily in a negative way. I'm a big fan of Nietzsche, he was truly a genius.

Absurdism (which I wasn't aware of until you mentioned Camus), is similar to nihilism, as well as existentialism. Absurdism suggests that people will never find their "meaning" in life, cause no inherent meaning exists. In a sense, both philosophies are one and the same, but I'd like to think of "The Absurd" being a conclusive statement that was formed through nihilism. Nihilism is questioning truth, purpose, and meaning through our own perspectives. Nietzsche was bound by perspectivism. Camus states that there is no purpose, and Nietzsche states that we as a people must realize that there is no purpose (but also that it's a slippery slope). Once again, just the way I see it. I also see how both can be construed as the same philosophy, and for all I know, they probably are.  
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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #221 on: September 14, 2010, 08:58:38 PM »
Ooooooh, an interesting idea, Stephen Abbott.
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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #222 on: September 15, 2010, 08:30:52 AM »
Grading comp sci labs, so I have to make sure that they documented everything correctly, look at indentation and spacing and comment on that, and look at their code for any bad or inefficient logic. Could be faster probably but I like to make a lot of comments so they understand what they're doing right/wrong. And /agree with the consistency issue. :P
Yeah - I was usually grading chemistry problems - I would usually start from where they went wrong and show them how to do it from there. It was especially frustrating whenI had to look at it for a few minutes just to figure out what they were doing.

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Ooooooh, an interesting idea, Stephen Abbott.
Thanks, Hailey Dundas. ::)
Hey!  You remembered! :D  I'm really impressed! :pleased:
Of course! "Hailey" was easy, as you often use it on the forum. I had to think for a minute to come up with"Dundas" - I remembered it because of "I already." :P

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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #223 on: September 15, 2010, 09:42:12 AM »
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Absurdism (which I wasn't aware of until you mentioned Camus), is similar to nihilism, as well as existentialism. Absurdism suggests that people will never find their "meaning" in life, cause no inherent meaning exists. In a sense, both philosophies are one and the same, but I'd like to think of "The Absurd" being a conclusive statement that was formed through nihilism. Nihilism is questioning truth, purpose, and meaning through our own perspectives. Nietzsche was bound by perspectivism. Camus states that there is no purpose, and Nietzsche states that we as a people must realize that there is no purpose (but also that it's a slippery slope). Once again, just the way I see it. I also see how both can be construed as the same philosophy, and for all I know, they probably are. 
It also seems like Nietzsche was aiming for a new purpose in the form of the Superman. He also mocked openly nihilist philosophers like (I think) Schopenhauer in "Thus Spoke Zarathustra". Bearing that in mind, I think he saw religion as a fallacy, nihilism as the escape from that fallacy and the Superman as the goal we should all aim for once we understand nihilism and want to live for something again (rather than submitting to an absurdist view of the universe).
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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #224 on: September 15, 2010, 12:05:04 PM »
Of course! "Hailey" was easy, as you often use it on the forum. I had to think for a minute to come up with"Dundas" - I remembered it because of "I already." :P
I've actually heard that before when people are trying to remember my last name. ;)  Strangely enough, I'm known simply as "Dundas" at work.
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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #225 on: September 15, 2010, 12:37:59 PM »
The GOOD: Just found out Jamie and Adam from Mythbusters will be at a science festival an 1 1/2 from me on Sunday !!! Now I just need to find someone to go with me...
The BAD: It'd mean getting my work done before the weekend/putting off some other work even more. :P
The BAD: Would also cut into my TSL time... :-\
The GOOD: Finally wrote out the :-\ smiley correctly so it actually displays right XD
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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #226 on: September 15, 2010, 01:56:49 PM »
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Absurdism (which I wasn't aware of until you mentioned Camus), is similar to nihilism, as well as existentialism. Absurdism suggests that people will never find their "meaning" in life, cause no inherent meaning exists. In a sense, both philosophies are one and the same, but I'd like to think of "The Absurd" being a conclusive statement that was formed through nihilism. Nihilism is questioning truth, purpose, and meaning through our own perspectives. Nietzsche was bound by perspectivism. Camus states that there is no purpose, and Nietzsche states that we as a people must realize that there is no purpose (but also that it's a slippery slope). Once again, just the way I see it. I also see how both can be construed as the same philosophy, and for all I know, they probably are. 
It also seems like Nietzsche was aiming for a new purpose in the form of the Superman. He also mocked openly nihilist philosophers like (I think) Schopenhauer in "Thus Spoke Zarathustra". Bearing that in mind, I think he saw religion as a fallacy, nihilism as the escape from that fallacy and the Superman as the goal we should all aim for once we understand nihilism and want to live for something again (rather than submitting to an absurdist view of the universe).

I think that's why I liked Nietzsche so much as a philosopher. Although his views were against common schools of thought, he was always lenient on the peoples' behavioral aspects. While he was aware that religion was absurd, he realized that nihilism is also "Absurd". I always found his arguments to be smack dab in the middle, where he was able to find a reasonable school of thought. The Ubermensch (or Superman) was truly an enlightening piece of work. Although, it's one of the more popular pieces to be misconstrued by the masses, I still find a shred of knowledge every time I read about it. I think for humanity, there may be such a thing as the Superman, but if we become too dependent on either nihilism or religion, we're definitely going to be at a standstill for a long time.
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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #227 on: September 15, 2010, 02:01:24 PM »
Of course! "Hailey" was easy, as you often use it on the forum. I had to think for a minute to come up with"Dundas" - I remembered it because of "I already." :P
I've actually heard that before when people are trying to remember my last name. ;)  Strangely enough, I'm known simply as "Dundas" at work.
Actually, I was thinking of this: http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=8551.msg279003#msg279003

I don't know if I would have thought of it on my own. :P

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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #228 on: September 15, 2010, 05:03:42 PM »
The GOOD: Just found out Jamie and Adam from Mythbusters will be at a science festival an 1 1/2 from me on Sunday !!! Now I just need to find someone to go with me...

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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #229 on: September 15, 2010, 05:09:22 PM »
The GREAT: Our tickets to go see Les Miserables in May came in today!
The BAD: SO overwhelmed at work between seeing kids and doing paperwork...no time to test or screen kiddos :(
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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #230 on: September 15, 2010, 05:32:23 PM »
Actually, I was thinking of this: http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=8551.msg279003#msg279003

I don't know if I would have thought of it on my own. :P
Oh, haha.  Forgot about that one. ;)  But anywaaaay...Dundas I am. :yes:

THE BAD: I don't feel good
THE BAD: I have to go to the doctor tomorrow  :thumbsdown:
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THE GOOD: Pumpkin spice is back!
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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #231 on: September 15, 2010, 08:24:37 PM »
The GOOD: Got tickets for Sunday. !!!
The GOOD: FINALLY got a working algorithm after working on it for a week, with lots of hints from Jacob
The BAD: Now need to write up the 8-10 page paper for it.
The GOOD: Think I'll be able to go to the ACM lan party at Elon next week and see my old friends who haven't graduated yet :D

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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #232 on: September 16, 2010, 11:27:56 AM »
Good: My employer hired a massage therapist to come in and give everyone massages during work today, heading over for that in a few minutes.
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« Reply #233 on: September 16, 2010, 11:48:07 AM »
Ooh! I'm jealous! :jealous:

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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #234 on: September 16, 2010, 01:33:01 PM »
THE GOOD: I stayed home from work today, but
THE BAD: I have bronchitis. Grrrr!
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« Reply #235 on: September 16, 2010, 04:21:37 PM »
Sorry to hear that, Haids. Get well soon! :)

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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #236 on: September 16, 2010, 06:19:36 PM »
Thanks, Doon.  I'm working on it. :)
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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #237 on: September 16, 2010, 06:32:01 PM »
THE GOOD: Recuperating from my workout yesterday. Means I'm making progress.
THE BAD: Dealing with some hardcore insomnia.
THE VERY BAD: Found out my Dad was diagnosed with COPD.
THE WRONG: Ate some hot dogs, but found out later that the hot dog buns were past their expiration date.  :X
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« Reply #238 on: September 16, 2010, 07:08:59 PM »
Better the buns than the actual dogs.  At least you weren't eating rancid meat!
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Re: The GOOD & BAD THREAD (VI)
« Reply #239 on: September 16, 2010, 07:18:52 PM »
Better the buns than the actual dogs.  At least you weren't eating rancid meat!

THE GOOD: At least I didn't eat rancid meat.  :P

Always good to look on the brighter side of things.  ::)
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