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Started by Kimmie, July 10, 2010, 02:53:18 PM

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tessspoon

#20
July 11, 2010, 09:39:25 AM
Did you try swimming in the water out a bit further beyond the boat?

Baggins

#21
July 11, 2010, 09:55:06 AM
Sure, I know he die out there, but in the original Alexander got pulled out the moment he barely stepped out into the water. He wasn't allowed to 'swim' at all. It pulled him right off his feet and out to sea.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

Tage7

#22
July 11, 2010, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Baggins on July 11, 2010, 09:55:06 AM
Sure, I know he die out there, but in the original Alexander got pulled out the moment he barely stepped out into the water. He wasn't allowed to 'swim' at all. It pulled him right off his feet and out to sea.
I think we've learned something new today. Alexander is a much worse swimmer than Graham is. ::)

Baggins

#23
July 11, 2010, 10:13:02 AM Last Edit: July 11, 2010, 10:21:13 AM by Baggins
Hmm, not quite, did you notice how well Alexander swam back in KQ3, :). For someone who had been stuck up in Manannan's house all of his life? I mean able to outrun sharks (if he's lucky).

We are hit over the head multiple times by the narrator (Guidebook and whatever), that swimming in the Green Isles is impossible :p. That the undertow will get anyone, and pull them out to sea. You are only lucky if you get washed into shore :p...
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

tessspoon

#24
July 11, 2010, 10:48:39 AM
Oh, I get what you mean now. And Alexander was swimming in calm water on a nice day, whereas Graham's swimming in the middle of a horrible storm. :P

Quote from: Baggins on July 11, 2010, 10:13:02 AM
Hmm, not quite, did you notice how well Alexander swam back in KQ3, :). For someone who had been stuck up in Manannan's house all of his life? I mean able to outrun sharks (if he's lucky).
That had actually occurred to me before. Must be quite a natural!

Baggins

#25
July 11, 2010, 11:08:43 AM Last Edit: July 11, 2010, 12:58:10 PM by Baggins
If you look back at KQ2 Graham had difficulty swimming in the stormy and choppy water near the Enchanted Islands.

...or in KQ5 the ocean near the Mariner's hut or from Harpie's Island (and that water is relatively calm there, not even any undertow), ;).

...or the river in southern Serenia?

...or the waterfall near the sea in Serenia?

...or the rivers in Daventry?
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

Tage7

#26
July 11, 2010, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: Baggins on July 11, 2010, 11:08:43 AM
If you look back at KQ2 Graham had difficulty swimming in the stormy and choppy water near the Enchanted Islands.

...or in KQ5 the ocean near the Mariner's hut or from Harpie's Island (and that water is relatively calm there, not even any undertow), ;).

...or the river in southern Serenia?

...or the waterfall near the sea in Serenia?

...or the rivers in Daventry?
Maybe Graham used the wand in KQV to grant himself unnatural swimming powers when you weren't watching.

Baggins

#27
July 11, 2010, 02:34:51 PM Last Edit: July 11, 2010, 02:39:09 PM by Baggins
He doesn't have a wand in TSL, and all my above examples are him drowning, due to his inability to swim in dangerous water (dangerous for different reasons, swiftness, too cold, etc.). He's just not a very good swimmer in KQV, :p (due to the environmental dangers)...

The Dangerous Currents around Green Isles are different kind of beast. Essentially the most dangerous water seen in the King's Quest series since the waters near the Enchanted Island. So dangerous that KQ6 gives you plenty of warnings, to avoid it. Since its impossible to swim in, and the undertow will pull you out to sea, and then under the sea. Most people end up dieing and becoming the zombies that wander the Realm of the Dead, heh heh. Very few are are lucky to survive by being washed up on the shore of the Isle of the Crown.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

Tage7

#28
July 11, 2010, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: Baggins on July 11, 2010, 02:34:51 PM
He doesn't have a wand in TSL, and all my above examples are him drowning, due to his inability to swim in dangerous water (dangerous for different reasons, swiftness, too cold, etc.). He's just not a very good swimmer in KQV, :p (due to the environmental dangers)...

The Dangerous Currents around Green Isles are different kind of beast. Essentially the most dangerous water seen in the King's Quest series since the waters near the Enchanted Island. So dangerous that KQ6 gives you plenty of warnings, to avoid it. Since its impossible to swim in, and the undertow will pull you out to sea, and then under the sea. Most people end up dieing and becoming the zombies that wander the Realm of the Dead, heh heh. Very few are are lucky to survive by being washed up on the shore of the Isle of the Crown.
I didn't say he had a wand in TSL. He could have done it in KQV when you weren't looking. "When you weren't looking" - key words there.

Baggins

#29
July 11, 2010, 03:06:06 PM Last Edit: July 11, 2010, 03:10:36 PM by Baggins
He used his wand, so he could drown? Huh?

He simply fails at swimming in KQ5. Either by being pulled by river currents, or because the water is too cold.

He failed at swimming in KQ5 in swift rivers as well. He could swim in the calm lakes however. His swim skill decent in Kolyma, mostly the non-poisoned lakes. He could even swim pretty well in the ocean, only a few screens before he gets irrevocably lost.  But he was in tropics, the water was nice.

The same couldn't be said once he made it to the enchanted islands... The water is turbulent and stormy with currents nearly the same as the Green Isles. He is pulled down almost instantly if he attempts to swim in the crimson sea.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

B'rrr

#30
July 11, 2010, 03:09:38 PM
over the years he grew some lovehandles that helped him float better!
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wilco64256

#31
July 11, 2010, 03:10:17 PM
The boat blocks the undertow.
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Baggins

#32
July 11, 2010, 03:11:57 PM Last Edit: July 11, 2010, 03:22:31 PM by Baggins
Quoteover the years he grew some lovehandles that helped him float better!
Remember the fat sailor/pirate zombie in the Realm of the Dead, ;). :suffer: :suffer:

QuoteThe boat blocks the undertow.

Now now, undertows go under boats, a boat wouldn't block an undertow :p... Also, he was to the side of the boat, not between the boat and the shore :p... That is he was still between the shore and the sea.

I think the only answer, is Graham is a genie like Shamir (Shamir is the only character we have seen officially capable of swimming in the Dangerous Currents)!!! But if he was he should be able to teleport... and not need a a boat. j/k
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

wilco64256

#33
July 11, 2010, 03:49:52 PM
I'm also joking about the boat thing, that's just totally bogus.
Weldon Hathaway

Tage7

#34
July 11, 2010, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: Baggins on July 11, 2010, 03:06:06 PMHe used his wand, so he could drown? Huh?

He simply fails at swimming in KQ5. Either by being pulled by river currents, or because the water is too cold.
So he could SWIM, duh! He fails so much at swimming in KQ5 that he used the wand at the end of the game to make himself the best swimmer in the UNIVERSE. It's so obvious. I don't see why you don't understand! ::)

KatieHal

#35
July 11, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
LOL, Baggins, only you could start a debate on how there's conflicting evidence of who's a better swimmer, Graham or Alexander!

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B'rrr

#36
July 11, 2010, 04:47:58 PM
they did not end up at the same beach did they? didn't Alexander came from the south? not the north, he went up the cliffs of logic, Graham took the stairs. perhaps the current is stronger to the south then it is to the north.
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tessspoon

#37
July 11, 2010, 04:53:49 PM
Thought there was a line saying something about the stairs being where the cliffs of logic used to be though.

Baggins

#38
July 11, 2010, 04:59:39 PM Last Edit: July 11, 2010, 05:09:56 PM by Baggins
Ya, if you stair at the beach it says it was once the cliffs of logic, and they carved them away recently.

QuoteWhat was a nearly insuperable set of puzzles known as the Cliffs of Logic, has now been replaced with a grand staircase winding its way up the mountain side leading to the city of the Winged Ones.

Actually there is an inconsistency, here, in that in the official material, the Cliffs of Logic were on the southside of hte island. In TSL they have their former location in the north, near this new "Thorn Bay".  ???
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

crayauchtin

#39
July 11, 2010, 05:11:56 PM
Does it actually say which side of the island the map deposits a person onto? I mean, it appears to be the south but do we really have any means of knowing that?
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