Justin Beiber

[B'rrr]

why can't we all looooooove eachother! (Except Connor ofcourse)

[atec123]

but over all dont you think this generation  does not have real music

You see.... with all this autotune shiz (hehehe... i said shiz) and stuffs, it is pretty damn hard to find good music.  the best of todays music is not really that popular.  as for stuff that is coming out now, a lot of new really popular music really sucks, but not all of it.  most of the music I listen to came out in the last 10 or 12 years.

as for if you will get it or not, IDK.  I don't know what kind of music you used to like.  My favorite band (and this is a very hard thing to pick) is Mew.  a danish band formed in 1994.  but most of their music was made in the past 20 years, and IMO their best album came out in 06 (in the US).  their most recent one came uot this year and it's amazing too.

Muse.  no more needs to be said.  Muse is amazing.  truely a great power trio with great vocals and instrumentals and songs.....

Coheed.  fans of prog rock from forevers ago will love coheed.  IDK if that's you or not, but it's me.

coldplay.  well they are coldplay.  no more to say about them.  amazing.

this may or may not all matcfh up with the music you like.  but my point is that there still is a lot of music that really is good around.

ps.  check out mew.  a lot of people like them that generally don't like their kind of music.

in the world of pop..... I don't know if the uber mainstream pop can be saved.  while there are good songs every now and then autotune is killing everything.

[B'rrr]

There has been bad music in every generation, but when you look back people tend to remember the good music and the bad ones are forgotten, idolizing the past. Just wait 20 years and people will be naming all the great bands of our time in a heartbeat 

[Rosella]

I think Rob is entirely correct. I remember the 90s very fondly music-wise, but if I actually turn on a 90s station I'm like "Oh gosh, I remember how this used to play on EVERY STATION ALL THE TIME. I hate this song!" for almost every song on there.

People remember what they enjoy. It takes a remarkably bad song to make a mark even if people don't care about it. 

And I don't know about you, but I don't dislike autotune. I mean, I adore bands who can do good acoustic versions of their songs (All Time Low ) and I greatly respect people who can really sing (Hayley Williams ) but honestly, music is entertainment. Art shouldn't be limited by what people think is "pure." Lady Gaga for instance, though not everyone's cup of tea, is incredibly talented. Check out like, her piano version of Poker Face, for instance. She has a great voice. The way she chooses to express that is in a lot of weird modified music that's generally kinda terrifying, but that's who she is and the art she wants to create. If it's the sound that bugs you, that's one thing, but I wouldn't consider it the downfall of music just because it's become widespread.

[kindofdoon]

I agree. Autotune is definitely not an absolute evil, especially not just because it's widespread. And I agree with Rosella - music isn't necessarily about talent or skill - it's about entertainment, in whatever form it takes.

[noonchild]

I have to say, if we have to have some pop sensation forced down our throats (or into our ears) I happily welcome Beiber.  I think we should really be counting our blessings here... for one thing there's only one of him.  Imagine 4 similar kids doing choreographed dancing.  I can't recall any Beiber songs at the moment but any video or interviews I've seen of the kid, he doesn't seem too full of himself.  Maybe it's just my age, I've seen enough of this crap at this point to not really care but Beiber doesn't bother me in the least. 

[Rosella]

And another point, and I'll admit this may be just me, but I don't actually remember being subjected to any of his songs. I mean, Miley Cyrus did actually take over the airwaves for a bit, but I can't actually think of a single Justin Beiber song. Am I in the vast minority here, or is he just more hated than he is present?

[atec123]

And I don't know about you, but I don't dislike autotune. I mean, I adore bands who can do good acoustic versions of their songs (All Time Low ) and I greatly respect people who can really sing (Hayley Williams ) but honestly, music is entertainment. Art shouldn't be limited by what people think is "pure." Lady Gaga for instance, though not everyone's cup of tea, is incredibly talented. Check out like, her piano version of Poker Face, for instance. She has a great voice. The way she chooses to express that is in a lot of weird modified music that's generally kinda terrifying, but that's who she is and the art she wants to create. If it's the sound that bugs you, that's one thing, but I wouldn't consider it the downfall of music just because it's become widespread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSD15KlE46w
That song is a great use of autotune and poppish sound effects.

I don't mind autotune as a vocal effect, but what I hate is when it is used because the singer sucks.  that is like cheating, and people who do that should not be popular.

And another point, and I'll admit this may be just me, but I don't actually remember being subjected to any of his songs. I mean, Miley Cyrus did actually take over the airwaves for a bit, but I can't actually think of a single Justin Beiber song. Am I in the vast minority here, or is he just more hated than he is present?

You probably just didn't notice it was him singing because he sounds like a girl.

[The Hero]

MJ is always my guy of choice his personnal issues had no effect on his art

[Rosella]

You probably just didn't notice it was him singing because he sounds like a girl.

That's a valid point, actually. I've had to have people point out how annoying it was that they were playing Justin Beiber on say, a store intercom, when I never would've known because I WOULD have guessed female.

[Fierce Deity]

I think Rob is entirely correct. I remember the 90s very fondly music-wise, but if I actually turn on a 90s station I'm like "Oh gosh, I remember how this used to play on EVERY STATION ALL THE TIME. I hate this song!" for almost every song on there.

People remember what they enjoy. It takes a remarkably bad song to make a mark even if people don't care about it. 

And I don't know about you, but I don't dislike autotune. I mean, I adore bands who can do good acoustic versions of their songs (All Time Low ) and I greatly respect people who can really sing (Hayley Williams ) but honestly, music is entertainment. Art shouldn't be limited by what people think is "pure." Lady Gaga for instance, though not everyone's cup of tea, is incredibly talented. Check out like, her piano version of Poker Face, for instance. She has a great voice. The way she chooses to express that is in a lot of weird modified music that's generally kinda terrifying, but that's who she is and the art she wants to create. If it's the sound that bugs you, that's one thing, but I wouldn't consider it the downfall of music just because it's become widespread.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Lady Gaga puts on a show with her crazy effects and outfits, but technically, she is a talented singer. Also, Hayley Williams is an amazing singer too. She really stands out from the average singers out there. I saw Paramore twice in concert, and they were hands down the best band I've seen live. Such energy. All Time Low is great as well. I like their cover of Rihanna's Umbrella.

As far as Autotune goes, it's okay in moderation. When singers use it as a safety net to compensate for their lack of skill, the actual sound of Autotune becomes a little annoying and starts to give me a headache. If it's used for a minor effect, it's tolerable.

[atec123]

for autotune, I like it the way it's used in that song in my previous post.  it's not used like that much, but it should be.  it's a nice vocal effect.

[Fierce Deity]

I got sick of Autotune when rappers like T-Pain and Little Wayne used it to adjust their vocal range (which was naturally nonexistent). If people can't sing, then they shouldn't do it professionally. I may sound rude by coming off that way, but there's reasons why there are singing competitions like American Idol. With Autotune being abused the way it is, it's slowly killing the actual art of singing. If in small doses, it can be used as an effect, then that's fine. But taking singers that naturally can't sing to save their lives, and smack a bunch of Autotune on their voice, then that's a waste of "talent".   

[atec123]

I got sick of Autotune when rappers like T-Pain and Little Wayne used it to adjust their vocal range (which was naturally nonexistent). If people can't sing, then they shouldn't do it professionally. I may sound rude by coming off that way, but there's reasons why there are singing competitions like American Idol. With Autotune being abused the way it is, it's slowly killing the actual art of singing. If in small doses, it can be used as an effect, then that's fine. But taking singers that naturally can't sing to save their lives, and smack a bunch of Autotune on their voice, then that's a waste of "talent".   

this.

and that is why I avoid pop radio stations for the most part.  I still listen to (some) newer pop, but nothing like that.  that stuff makes me sick.

[The Hero]

for autotune, I like it the way it's used in that song in my previous post.  it's not used like that much, but it should be.  it's a nice vocal effect.

its not a effect  really the effect you hear is a result pf misuse but in fact  its been standerd for years for subtle pitch correction  just not om a extreme level like t-pain or how it is used today

[atec123]

for autotune, I like it the way it's used in that song in my previous post.  it's not used like that much, but it should be.  it's a nice vocal effect.

its not a effect  really the effect you hear is a result pf misuse but in fact  its been standerd for years for subtle pitch correction  just not om a extreme level like t-pain or how it is used today

well the only thing I like about it is the autotune effect.

vocal correction sucks, but if you can sing and use autotune (in moderation) as an effect then it is great IMO.  though as I said, it isn't used like that much, especially in pop.

[crayauchtin]

I was okay with autotune until Lil Wayne made it his career....

[Tage7]

Muse.  no more needs to be said.  Muse is amazing.  truely a great power trio with great vocals and instrumentals and songs.....

These guys get me through my work day every day. Love them. Their music is very diverse and touches more than one genre. I'm also enjoying Linkin Park's dabble in new genres too.

Justin... I can't say I hate the kid. I hate the notion of kids singing about love. That's what I hate.

Does anyone else find it amusing that Kidz Bop does Justin Bieber too? I mean, he IS a kid. Is it really necessary for other kids to sing it before you can call it a Kid Bop?

[Fierce Deity]

Does anyone else find it amusing that Kidz Bop does Justin Bieber too? I mean, he IS a kid. Is it really necessary for other kids to sing it before you can call it a Kid Bop?

I don't care too much about kids singing 'kid' songs, but I find it to be an atrocity when Kidz Bop puts songs that represent something of an adult nature. If a song, no matter how popular, talks about 'hooking up', it shouldn't be exposed to kids. I remember some controversy awhile back, because Kidz Bop wanted Fall Out Boy to put their song Dance, Dance on one of their albums, and one of the members of the band had to notify them that the song wasn't suited for kids. But I suppose integrity can be sacrificed when making a quick buck.

[atec123]

Muse.  no more needs to be said.  Muse is amazing.  truely a great power trio with great vocals and instrumentals and songs.....

These guys get me through my work day every day. Love them. Their music is very diverse and touches more than one genre.

totally agree.  Origin of Symmetry is my favorite album by them.  so perfect.

Hey... did you ever check out mew?  I posted about them I think in here and in some other music thread.  you might like them.