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Episode 2 - CONSTRUCTIVE feedback (No fighting, please!)

Started by snabbott, September 20, 2010, 09:39:50 AM

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Lambonius

Quote from: madhattter on October 01, 2010, 05:13:09 PM


2) I often couldn't read the Four Winds news... the pages would render as other textures (trees, leaves, whatever).  This happened whenever I had been playing a bit (visited several locations) and then tried to read the news on the board.  I'm pretty sure that the problem is that the game doesn't have enough texture memory available.  FWIW, I have a reasonable graphics card and if I start the game going directly to board, I can read the news just fine... over time the video memory is probably getting fragmented or being leaked.  Anyways, solutionwise, I would recommend that you don't load all four huge textures at the same time.  One at a time with next/last page buttons would do fine.  I expect that if I am having this problem, others are too.  Thx!



I had this problem, too.  But it wasn't just the Four Winds pages.  It always happened after an extended bit of playtime, but eventually, textures would start getting mixed up and you'd end up with really strange situations like a wall having the texture of Graham's character, or the benches in the castle garden having the same texture as the grass.  I was running TSL through Wine, so I didn't bother reporting it because I thought it was just a result of the quick and dirty Wine porting.  But maybe this is an issue that needs to be looked into if others are having similar problems.  Also, whenever this would happen, the options menu GUI would be all messed up, too.  The buttons would show up as different textures, without their proper labels, and I'd have to force quit the game.

crayauchtin

The texture problem only happened on Four Winds and the magic scroll for me. :\
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KatieHal

Hmm, that is a problem. You can read the Four Winds in the PDF of the first two issues that comes the download, so there's that alternative for now at least. Madhatter, you can also post about that issue in the tech support forum and we may be able to help fix it for you.

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atec123

Quote from: kindofdoon on October 01, 2010, 09:26:33 PM
I think that will be the case. If they keep releasing one big installer for all the episodes, then by Episode 5, the installer would be more than 1.5GB in size, which could be problematic for many players, as big downloads are often uncooperative with older computers.
They could always have both.  I prefer getting one huge download even with a crappy connection.
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Even so, with the number of people they have downloading the game, if it was all in one big chunk, their servers would die.
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We do intend to have the future episodes downloadable on their own, and release any updates for previous episodes simply as patches instead of packaging them all together.

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Storm

Quote from: Lambonius on October 01, 2010, 11:45:02 PM
Quote from: madhattter on October 01, 2010, 05:13:09 PM2) I often couldn't read the Four Winds news... the pages would render as other textures (trees, leaves, whatever).  This happened whenever I had been playing a bit (visited several locations) and then tried to read the news on the board.  I'm pretty sure that the problem is that the game doesn't have enough texture memory available.  FWIW, I have a reasonable graphics card and if I start the game going directly to board, I can read the news just fine... over time the video memory is probably getting fragmented or being leaked.  Anyways, solutionwise, I would recommend that you don't load all four huge textures at the same time.  One at a time with next/last page buttons would do fine.  I expect that if I am having this problem, others are too.  Thx!

I had this problem, too.  But it wasn't just the Four Winds pages.  It always happened after an extended bit of playtime, but eventually, textures would start getting mixed up...
Not the same problem.
The magic scroll/Four Winds textures getting messed up is a known issue that's being work on. It doesn't really have anything to do with how long you've been playing, it actually happens on every animated GUI (including Shamir's letters) if you Alt-tab, change resolution or switch between windowed/fullscreen.
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atec123

Quote from: Storm on October 04, 2010, 06:14:13 PM
Quote from: Lambonius on October 01, 2010, 11:45:02 PM
Quote from: madhattter on October 01, 2010, 05:13:09 PM2) I often couldn't read the Four Winds news... the pages would render as other textures (trees, leaves, whatever).  This happened whenever I had been playing a bit (visited several locations) and then tried to read the news on the board.  I'm pretty sure that the problem is that the game doesn't have enough texture memory available.  FWIW, I have a reasonable graphics card and if I start the game going directly to board, I can read the news just fine... over time the video memory is probably getting fragmented or being leaked.  Anyways, solutionwise, I would recommend that you don't load all four huge textures at the same time.  One at a time with next/last page buttons would do fine.  I expect that if I am having this problem, others are too.  Thx!

I had this problem, too.  But it wasn't just the Four Winds pages.  It always happened after an extended bit of playtime, but eventually, textures would start getting mixed up...
Not the same problem.
The magic scroll/Four Winds textures getting messed up is a known issue that's being work on. It doesn't really have anything to do with how long you've been playing, it actually happens on every animated GUI (including Shamir's letters) if you Alt-tab, change resolution or switch between windowed/fullscreen.
keep in mind he is also playing in on MacOS through wine.

I got this same problem a few times (on linux via wine) but it's good to know that it is (probably) not a wine bug.  I thought it might be.
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Storm

I had the GUI texture issue in both Windows 7 and XP, but I never had the actual game textures getting mixed up no matter how long I've been playing.
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madhattter

QuoteThe magic scroll/Four Winds textures getting messed up is a known issue that's being work on. It doesn't really have anything to do with how long you've been playing, it actually happens on every animated GUI (including Shamir's letters) if you Alt-tab, change resolution or switch between windowed/fullscreen

Thanks for the clarification, and glad to hear it's being worked on.

jsh357

Hey all, just finished the first two episodes myself.  I just found out the project had been revived after giving up checking on it at the C&D notice.  

I'm pretty impressed that it came out so well.  

Aesthetically, my only true complaint is the faces.  They need a lot of improvement, and I'm sorry but I just can't sugarcoat that.  Valanice and Rosella look the worst of the lot; just ugly as sin.  On the bright side, I thought the rest of the game looked great!  I got a huge nostalgia rush walking through the Land of the Green Isles, and the storm looked amazing.  I loved the birds and water in the intro.  So good show, and if the faces looked smoother I would probably give the graphics an 8 or 9 out of 10.  The music is incredible and I have no criticisms.  Some of the VA is mediocre, but about as good as can be expected in an amateur game.  It was so awesome to hear Graham's original voice actor playing him again!

In terms of the plot and canon compliance, I don't think it could have been done much better.  Obviously, the story is trying to be a bit more mature (got to end the story after all, right), and the characters were never fully fleshed out to begin with, so I don't have any complaints about times where people felt out of character.  I'm thrilled to finally be getting some closure on the Black Cloak Society!  I think any true fan would be.  Valanice seems to be horribly useless, but this is nothing new.

I did run in to a bug, and I don't know what caused it.  The game just crashed on me when I was loading up the sailing menu from the Isle of Wonder.  I'm on Windows 7, not using the patch.  Other than that I didn't run in to any problems, although the camera angles in the Isle of the Crown hid the market square from me entirely.  (I only found out about it via these forums)

Overall, it was a great experience and I look forward to Episode 3.  Thanks for bringing this story back!
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Cez

Heh, that wasn't the original actor who voiced King Graham. That was Josh Mandel. This is Jason Victor :)

As for Valanice being useless.... you just wait for Episode 3 ;)

Thank you for your words and I'm glad you are enjoying it! :D


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Lambonius

I'll actually go out on a limb here and say that, despite my old-school inclinations and various complaints about TSL, one thing that I like BETTER about it than the original games is the voice of Graham.  Nothing against Josh--I liked his voice as Graham, too--I just think Jason Victor is on a different level when it comes to acting quality.  So great choice of casting there, guys.  ;)

kindofdoon

Quote from: Lambonius on October 15, 2010, 09:01:13 PM
So great choice of casting there, guys.  ;)

I completely agree here. His voice fits the character model and dialog so perfectly that Graham felt completely natural to me while playing. The voice felt like King Graham, not of an actor playing King Graham.

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jsh357

Whoah really?  I thought it was a spot-on performance then!  Very true to his original voice.
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crayauchtin

Quote from: Lambonius on October 15, 2010, 09:01:13 PM
I'll actually go out on a limb here and say that, despite my old-school inclinations and various complaints about TSL, one thing that I like BETTER about it than the original games is the voice of Graham.  Nothing against Josh--I liked his voice as Graham, too--I just think Jason Victor is on a different level when it comes to acting quality.  So great choice of casting there, guys.  ;)
Absolutely agree -- Josh Mandel did a wonderful job but Jason Victor.... I kind of want him to be rerecorded over all the other games. And all the fan-games! Is that heretical? :P
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KatieHal

I LOVE Jason's voice as Graham. He was one of the actors at the auditions that we were like all in agreement on pretty much right away!

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Lambonius

Josh has a great voice as well, definitely.  In fact, he's doing a wonderful cameo for us in SQ2VGA.  I think you guys will get a real kick out of where we use him.  It totally fits his vocal style.  ;)

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Cat1

Quote from: KatieHal on October 02, 2010, 10:07:19 AM
We do intend to have the future episodes downloadable on their own, and release any updates for previous episodes simply as patches instead of packaging them all together.

Just wanted to say please, please do!  That would be awesome, as downloading TSL takes a large percentage of my monthly internet plan!  I was a bit worried when I found that I had to download episode 1 again when I downloaded episode 2!  Maybe internet is cheaper in America or wherever you all are - I'm just a poor New Zealander  ;)