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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #140 on: October 03, 2010, 01:14:38 PM »
Or I could have taken a page from the TSL narrations book and written:

"Shortly into the 43rd President George W. Bush's two terms, which lasted from 2001 through the end of 2008, the president, who was living in the White House at the time, a large building in Washington D.C. that has traditionally served as both the residential abode and official center for presidential business, so named because of the predominantly white color of its exterior, had to deal with the worst terrorist attack ever to happen on American soil, which happened in New York City on September 11th of the president's first year in office, which was 2001, seven years and four months before the president left office near the end of January of 2009.  The President often spoke of the weighty monumentality of his decisions in the fateful hours immediately following the attack, which were some of the most significant and stressful of his entire presidential tenure.  During the rare quiet moments in those early post-9/11 days, the president found himself longing for the carefree days of his childhood, when the most stressful decisions he faced on a regular basis were whether or not to play baseball or go fishing during a sunny afternoon in the summer."

Would that have better helped establish context?

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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #141 on: October 03, 2010, 01:25:00 PM »
Or I could have taken a page from the TSL narrations book and written:

"Shortly into the 43rd President George W. Bush's two terms, which lasted from 2001 through the end of 2008, the president, who was living in the White House at the time, a large building in Washington D.C. that has traditionally served as both the residential abode and official center for presidential business, so named because of the predominantly white color of its exterior, had to deal with the worst terrorist attack ever to happen on American soil, which happened in New York City on September 11th of the president's first year in office, which was 2001, seven years and four months before the president left office near the end of January of 2009.  The President often spoke of the weighty monumentality of his decisions in the fateful hours immediately following the attack, which were some of the most significant and stressful of his entire presidential tenure.  During the rare quiet moments in those early post-9/11 days, the president found himself longing for the carefree days of his childhood, when the most stressful decisions he faced on a regular basis were whether or not to play baseball or go fishing during a sunny afternoon in the summer."

Would that have better helped establish context?

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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #142 on: October 03, 2010, 01:48:39 PM »
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Would that have better helped establish context?

Yes, yes it would.

There was a long digression, here, but I deleted it because it was pointless.

I'm really going off the subject. Sorry, Katie et al, LOL.

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Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #143 on: October 03, 2010, 02:20:34 PM »
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Would that have better helped establish context?

Yes, yes it would.

There was a long digression, here, but I deleted it because it was pointless.

I'm really going off the subject. Sorry, Katie et al, LOL.

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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #144 on: October 03, 2010, 02:26:03 PM »
Note to self, I'm getting antsy having finished my Master's dissertation (waiting for the grade) and having nothing to do and need to go write a journal article or something for the fun of it... I'm apparently still stuck in "writing mode"  :P :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #145 on: October 03, 2010, 04:16:05 PM »
Note to self, I'm getting antsy having finished my Master's dissertation (waiting for the grade) and having nothing to do and need to go write a journal article or something for the fun of it... I'm apparently still stuck in "writing mode"  :P :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:

When I finished my Master's thesis, I didn't want to write another word for a good long while.  :)  I spent a good week just relaxing and gaming, and drinking.  I know, I'm a d*****.   ;)

EDIT:  Wow.  Lol...d0uche is blocked by this forum's censors.  ::)  Does it also block words like tampon, diaphragm, menstruation, condom, maxi pad, s****icidal lubricant, etc?

EDIT 2:  Apparently not.  Well, almost.  Heh...I'm suddenly in the mood to listen to George Carlin.   ;D
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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #146 on: October 03, 2010, 04:22:09 PM »
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When I finished my Master's thesis, I didn't want to write another word for a good long while.
I know, LOL, i've been goofing off (adjusting to back to normal from the jet lag). Except now, its almost three weeks now, I feel like I need to do something productive, LOL. Actually my prof wants me to write an article for something to be published next year. I need to continue the research (I haven't worked on it for several months). He needs a draft by early december. I'd start on a PHD, but I don't have funds right now... :p

But enough on that.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #147 on: October 03, 2010, 04:45:40 PM »
Heh, it mostly just blocks words that are swears or common insults. :)

Also kind of funny, that ridiculously lengthy story about grapes? Is one that Cesar and I fought over because I was like, this story is insanely long, no, we're cutting it! He didn't want to, partly for amusement based on how overly long it was (in fact, I think if you click on the grapes a second time, the narrator even refuses to repeat the tale!)--which is why another 'LOOK' response in the garden has the narrator actively saying she's not interested in hearing another of Graham's long trips down memory lane instead. My tiny revenge!

And now we commonly joke about 'that damn grapes story!' (as I like to call it!)

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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #148 on: October 03, 2010, 04:52:58 PM »
Heh, it mostly just blocks words that are swears or common insults. :)

Also kind of funny, that ridiculously lengthy story about grapes? Is one that Cesar and I fought over because I was like, this story is insanely long, no, we're cutting it! He didn't want to, partly for amusement based on how overly long it was (in fact, I think if you click on the grapes a second time, the narrator even refuses to repeat the tale!)--which is why another 'LOOK' response in the garden has the narrator actively saying she's not interested in hearing another of Graham's long trips down memory lane instead. My tiny revenge!

And now we commonly joke about 'that darn grapes story!' (as I like to call it!)

Ooh, I think that's one that I actually missed during my first playthrough of Ep. 2--I'll have to go back and do that now.  :)

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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #149 on: October 03, 2010, 05:03:04 PM »
Hmm...looks like it's not there after all. I'll see if I can find what screen/item brings that up and post it!

Ahh, there it is. If you LOOK at the Hole in the Wall when it's in your inventory. 
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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #150 on: October 03, 2010, 06:18:23 PM »
Hmm...looks like it's not there after all. I'll see if I can find what screen/item brings that up and post it!

Ahh, there it is. If you LOOK at the Hole in the Wall when it's in your inventory.  

Cool--I'll check it out.

PS:  I just replayed Episode 1 the other day attempting to click on just about everything possible.  :)  While a fair amount of the background description narrations are somewhat irrelevant and overly long, I have to commend you guys on the amount of detail put into them.  When you're going through with the specific intent of hearing everything (and not worried about having to stop and interrupt the flow of the game/story,) it's pretty impressive just how much there is to hear, (especially in an episode that can be beaten in about 15 minutes if you just race through it.)  And I still love the graphics.  :)

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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #151 on: October 03, 2010, 06:48:10 PM »
Coming from you especially, we'll gladly take that compliment! Haha, thanks :)

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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #152 on: October 03, 2010, 10:07:34 PM »
Since we brought up the changes of KQ3 in general, I do want to add that altering Alexander's kidnapping was pure genius, actually. The original (Manannan steals the baby while the family isn't paying attention in broad daylight) was like.... really? He's scary? He has no minions, and he doesn't kill anybody. It didn't do it for me. In the IA version not only does he obviously have minions, he also is perfectly willing to kill them for no real reason. Now THAT is a villain worth being scared of! :D
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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #153 on: October 04, 2010, 05:59:12 PM »
After reading these 8 pages of debate about retcons, I'm having a slight problem with the definition here. Isn't 'retcon' supposed to mean changing past events?
In that sense, what KQ3VGA and KQ2+ did wasn't a retcon, it was a re-write since they're making up they're own 'version' of the story, not adding information that changes facts established in KQ1 & 2. TSL is retconning KQ3 because it contradicts the events of the original game. If they made a KQ3/5 remake where Manannan/Mordack weren't trying to kill Alexander, that would not have been a retcon either. This makes the comparison on who is less faithful to the original source material a little redundant ::)

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the manual for KQ4 also states;
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"According to legend, shortly after Rosella's rescue King Graham decided it was time to pass on his adventurer's cap. Gathering in his wife and two children, the King offered a grateful smile upwards, for each member of his family had given him great pride. Gazing down at his children, he couldn't help but see the glint of spirited valor in their eyes. Knowing the future of his kingdom would rest soundly in the hands of its future heir, he slowly lifted his hands to display the infamous adventurer's cap."

But this also contradicts KQ3 - it says Graham gathered his wife and children, when in fact he didn't - they were all already in the throneroom. This suggests the hat throwing didn't happen right after Alex and Rosella arrived (as portrayed in KQ3).
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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #154 on: October 04, 2010, 11:17:53 PM »
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Since we brought up the changes of KQ3 in general, I do want to add that altering Alexander's kidnapping was pure genius, actually. The original (Manannan steals the baby while the family isn't paying attention in broad daylight) was like.... really? He's scary? He has no minions, and he doesn't kill anybody. It didn't do it for me. In the IA version not only does he obviously have minions, he also is perfectly willing to kill them for no real reason. Now THAT is a villain worth being scared of!

In KQ3, its unspecific and just says Manannan kidnapped Alexander from his cradle (it specifies it as being at night).
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Mum and Dad were heart-broken when you disappeared as a baby...Dad searched EVERYWHERE for you. Obviously he never found you.
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That was once a magic mirror...On the night you disappeared from your cradle, it clouded up; and has remained that way ever since.
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See that young fellow over there? When that old wizard, Manannan, kidnapped him, I heard tell his real parents were heartbroken over his loss.
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When he was a baby, he was stolen from his cradle one night by that awful wizard, Manannan, who brought him here and raised him. I hear he treats the boy terribly.
If you are referring to Companion's extended account, it wasn't necessarily in "broad daylight", the book does say a summer evening (thus still suggesting it was at night). It also says he put a sleep spell on them.

In the alternative version from Roberta, it was at night while everyone was sleeping, from the nursery.

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But this also contradicts KQ3 - it says Graham gathered his wife and children, when in fact he didn't - they were all already in the throneroom. This suggests the hat throwing didn't happen right after Alex and Rosella arrived (as portrayed in KQ3).
Oh its worse than that, it doesn't even suggest Alexander was kidnapped, actually the way the manual was worded you'd think Alexander grew up in Daventry, and witnessed the dragon when it first came. Whoever wrote it really made it misleading.

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King Graham married the beautiful girl he had rescued, and two years later the young Queen Valanice gave birth to twins, a boy and a girl. Alexander bore a striking resemblance to his father, and likewise Rosella to her mother. The family lived a very happy and peaceful life...at least for awhile.

But from deep within the forests came rumblings of a terrible beast who was ravaging a bloody trail towards the land of Daventry. Sightings of dragons had been rare in these tranquil times, and never before in the kingdom of Daventry had one witnessed such a beast as the terrible three-headed dragon. As the years crept by the notoriety of the beast grew as great as the destruction it wrought. Soon the whole population of Daventry tremored with the news of the dragon's approach, and each homestead dwelt in terror.

Meanwhile, in a land far away, lived the malevolent wizard Manannan. Manannan kept a watchful eye upon the kingdoms of the world. With a sardonic grin he watched as the three-headed dragon rampaged its way towards Daventry. Manannan's hatred of mankind had intensified with his great age, and his coal-black eyes burned a strange reflection upon the glass of the crystal as he mirthfully watched another human swallowed whole by the vicious beast.

Preferring his solitude, the powerful Manannan was only allowed to be observed by one servantboy, who maintained his house and performed all of his menial chores. Of course, Manannan could have conjured up spirits to do his dirty work, but he much preferred to see the toil and strain of a young mortal suffering under his thrall.

Most would call it depravity, but it was fear that fueled the flames of Manannan's hatred of humanity, a fear instilled by a vision from his prophetic crystal ball. For within its walls of quartz had Manannan seen his own hideous destruction at the hands of a conquering hero.

Time has wrought many changes, and with it much sorrow. The kingdom of Daventry was ravaged by the deplorable dragon, and the young Princess Rosella was abducted. The entire kingdom was overcome by the brutal onslaught of the beast, and though forewarned, found themselves helpless to defend against its supernatural strength. Much weeping and wailing was heard throughout the land. Even with its power of prophecy, the Magic Mirror could provide no answers, not even a clue, for some bearer of black magic had cast a cloud of darkness upon its face...

And the wizard watched with eyes of venom...!

The entire tale of Rosella's rescue, the wizard's downfall, and the restoration of the royal family are chronicled in the saga To Heir is Human.

According to legend, shortly after Rosella's rescue King Graham decided it was time to pass on his adventurer's cap. Gathering in his wife and two children, the King offered a grateful smile upwards, for each member of his family had given him great pride. Gazing down at his children, he couldn't help but see the glint of spirited valor in their eyes. Knowing the future of his kingdom would rest soundly in the hands of its future heir, he slowly lifted his hands to display the infamous adventurer's cap.


Funny part is you need that manual to even get into KQ4... LOL.

Also if anyone is paying attention the intro in KQ4 is not exactly the same as in KQ3. Graham doesn't talk as he's throwing the hat, as he did in KQ3.
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Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #155 on: October 05, 2010, 10:08:53 AM »
Oh its worse than that, it doesn't even suggest Alexander was kidnapped, actually the way the manual was worded you'd think Alexander grew up in Daventry, and witnessed the dragon when it first came. Whoever wrote it really made it misleading.

Maybe it was written that way to avoid KQ3 spoilers for those who haven't played it yet? IIRC Gwydion's identity was supposed to big secret back then.
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Re: Getting married in the Green Isles
« Reply #156 on: October 05, 2010, 10:15:35 AM »
Storm, ya, I'm pretty sure that's the reason why it was written the way it was.

It's not completely wrong however, when Alexander enters palace with his sister in KQ3, Graham does gather them together before his throne to hug them. But you are right the way it it is worded, especially without information on Alexander's kidnapping or involvement in rescuing Rosella, it does sound more like Graham set the initiative and gathered them from other parts of the castle (rather than gathering together while they are already in the throne room).
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Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg