A fight to the death!

[Haids1987]

I may have asked this before, but I don't remember getting any satisfying answers, so I'm asking again!

It's a fight to the death!  There can only be one winner--no ties, no surrenders, no remaining Horocruxes, and no running away like a little sissy.  Lord Voldemort vs. Darth Vader!  Who would win?  Is it Voldemort, with his Unforgivable Curses and awesome magic skills?  Or is it Darth Vader, with his use of the Force and the ability to put a stranglehold on victims from across the room?

We have never settled this debate.  Discuss.

[dark-daventry]

Darth Vader. Hands down. Darth Vader wields the force at an unparalleled level. His mastery of it is nothing short of astounding. Plus, he wields a lightsaber. While we don't know what the effects of magic are on a lightsaber, I'm going to hazard a guess and say that the lightsaber would win, based on the fact that it is able to block all manner of protectiles, includiing laser blasts. But that is mere speculation. Also, he wields force lightning. That's all you need to know.

[KatieHal]

All true, but: Voldemort has mastery of a curse of instant death. That only Harry Potter ever survived, and that due only to his own mother's sacrifice of her life for him. I don't really see anyone jumping in and taking that bullet for Vader.

[dark-daventry]

All true, but: Voldemort has mastery of a curse of instant death. That only Harry Potter ever survived, and that due only to his own mother's sacrifice of her life for him. I don't really see anyone jumping in and taking that bullet for Vader.

But if vader uses his lightsaber, he can deflect it. Also, he could use force grip to use his own men to block for him. No one ever said people had to be willing to take a bullet for vader. He is a sith lord after all.

[Arkillian]

Darth Vader- if not due to epicness, then due to his power coming from power rather than sneekiness and spit. Darth Vader is passionate about being an overlord. Voldemort is passionate of 'cleaning out the muggles'. Because of this, Vader will always be stronger cause his sense of direction is clear to him and not angry.

[snabbott]

Darth Vader. Voldemort has the killing curse, but it requires use of a wand. Vader could snatch the wand away before Voldemort could ever get the words out.

[KatieHal]

Darth Vader. Voldemort has the killing curse, but it requires use of a wand. Vader could snatch the wand away before Voldemort could ever get the words out.

This is the only argument so far that convinces me Vader could dodge the Killing Curse.

[dark-daventry]

Darth Vader. Voldemort has the killing curse, but it requires use of a wand. Vader could snatch the wand away before Voldemort could ever get the words out.

This is the only argument so far that convinces me Vader could dodge the Killing Curse.

A lightsaber can't block the killing curse? Could've fooled me...

[KatieHal]

How could it block a magic spell? The only non-solid thing it's been seen to absorb/deflect is force lightning, and even the results don't always seem 100%. The light saber itself isn't magical or Force-created, it's a piece of technology, it's just that it's the traditional weapon of Jedi.

[Haids1987]

Darth Vader. Voldemort has the killing curse, but it requires use of a wand. Vader could snatch the wand away before Voldemort could ever get the words out.

Ooooh, good point!  I hadn't considered that one.  But Voldemort is a master at Occlumency, don't forget.  He can go into people's subconscious and see what's going on in their head.  He might be able to dodge a wand snatch before Vader could even raise his hands.

Voldemort has mastery of a curse of instant death. That only Harry Potter ever survived, and that due only to his own mother's sacrifice of her life for him.

Another great point.  See!  This is what makes this such a tough debate!  Me, I could never decide.  And btw, Katie, you seem to be on the side of Voldemort.  Vote!

How could it block a magic spell? The only non-solid thing it's been seen to absorb/deflect is force lightning, and even the results don't always seem 100%. The light saber itself isn't magical or Force-created, it's a piece of technology, it's just that it's the traditional weapon of Jedi.

Ah, but doesn't Harry see green light whenever Voldemort uses Avada Cadavra?  There has to be SOME kind of solidity to the spell, if it produces light.  Maybe the lightsaber could block it...?

[kindofdoon]

I like Darth Vader much more than Voldemort, but their powers are unmatched. Vader wouldn't be able to parry a killing curse.

[KatieHal]

I'm not convinced of either winning, actually, but someone's gotta play Devil's Advocate and argue for Voldy

Anyways, green light isn't a physical thing; it can't be blocked or deflected like a bullet. Light is a produced effect of the spell, it isn't necessarily the thing itself. At best the argument of Vader being able to block the spell with his lightsaber is inconclusive.

[LadyTerra]

The Killing Curse has to be somewhat tangible since it produces light (and light indicates the release of energy, which isn't nothing).  I have a theory that it's electrically based, sort of like a reverse defibrillator, which is why it can stop the heart without leaving a mark and why that energy tends to travel in a straight line.  Even if it wasn't just a giant electric shock, it could be easily parried with a lightsaber since we all know lightsabers can parry energy blasters.

You also can't count out standard Force powers, like super speed, Force Jump, Invisibility, etc.  The Killing Curse, and all of Voldemort's spells for that matter, require his wand to work and specific gestures.  If you can get close enough to Voldemort to disrupt his spellcasting in some way, he's completely defenseless, especially considering he's likely spent more time studying Dark Arts instead of exercising.  Darth Vader would win hands down.

[darthkiwi]

I voted for Voldemort, using the following logic:

- Force powers and magic are more or less equivalent
- Voldemort has magic
- Darth Vader has force powers AND a lightsaber

So, logically, Vader should be able to win.

On the other hand... I'm really not convinced by the idea of a lightsaber blocking a magic spell. Both force powers and spells work via the same kind of logic, ie. "It just happens!", and since a lightsaber can't block a force power, I don't think it could block a spell.

Also, if Voldemort is a master of Occlumency, then Vader may have trouble attacking at all, since Voldemort could feasibly foresee the attack and dodge. But, the Force can be used to play mind tricks too, so maybe it would be more even than we've supposed...

Also, one last thing: Voldemort needs his wand to use magic, but Vader doesn't need his lightsaber to use the Force; it's just handy to have. So if the fight ever got to the stage where they were disarming each other, Vader would have a considerable advantage, since if he could snatch Voldy's wand out of his hand with the force, Voldy would be pretty much defenceless.

Although, of course, if Voldemort has a stash of Horcruxes then he can't actually be killed

[KatieHal]

Oh ! Duh! Horcruxes! Yeah, how could I forget that? That's huge.

[kindofdoon]

I've been told my HP-addicted younger brother that the killing curse burns/disintegrates inanimate objects. Therefore a lightsaber could easily be dispatched by a killing curse.

[snabbott]

Oh ! Duh! Horcruxes! Yeah, how could I forget that? That's huge.

Oh, yeah! Good point. He can be *mostly* killed, though. I guess it depends on the definition of "to the death" then.

[Delling]

Oh ! Duh! Horcruxes! Yeah, how could I forget that? That's huge.

Oh, yeah! Good point. He can be *mostly* killed, though. I guess it depends on the definition of "to the death" then.

But, as I hope we all know, with mostly dead, you (and he) have more options than going through his pockets for loose change.

[dark-daventry]

I've been told my HP-addicted younger brother that the killing curse burns/disintegrates inanimate objects. Therefore a lightsaber could easily be dispatched by a killing curse.

Can we get some verification on this?

[writerlove]

This is the most random topic have ever seen on these boards!