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Which one do you like better?

Rosella of Daventry
Cassima of the Green Isles

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Rosella vs. Cassima
« on: March 30, 2010, 06:35:39 PM »
I could swear I've made this thread before, but I can't find it!  Anyway...which princess do you like better?
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Re: Rosella vs. Cassima
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 09:48:27 PM »
They are both taken anyways!  :'(
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Re: Rosella vs. Cassima
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 11:42:38 PM »
Cassima has a lot of qualities of strength and bravery that aren't really touched on much in the games, but it's obvious she's a fantastic character.

Rosella, on the other hand, has faced a lot of the dangers that Cassima has just been on the outside of. She was obviously just as strong, kind, and brave as Cassima in KQIV, and even if you want to argue that she was bratty and selfish in KQVII, I think we can agree that her character was changed a bit to fit the Disney style of the game. They're both beautiful, strong, and capable, but my soul lies with Rosella. :P
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Re: Rosella vs. Cassima
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 03:03:37 AM »
I would have never taken you for a Rosella fan  :o
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Re: Rosella vs. Cassima
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 03:45:32 AM »
which princess do you like better?

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Re: Rosella vs. Cassima
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 11:15:04 AM »
I voted for Rosella because of the "Damsel in Distress" factor. See, here's the thing...

Cassima was kidnapped by Mordack. Even though she knew her way around the labyrinth and helped Graham escape from the dungeon and was friends with all of Mordack's monsters living in the maze.... she still stayed in the kitchen and was scared of everyone. She hardly seemed capable then.
Then, Abdul Alhazred captures her in her own tower. Yes, she sent out Sing-Sing so she wasn't isolated from the rest of the world. But she has guard dogs loyal to her following Alhazred's orders and she couldn't convince them she didn't want to stay in the tower? Really? REALLY? Then she actually tries to get Alexander to leave so she can, what, stay locked in a tower? It's not like anyone in that family has ever saved her before, right? Oh wait....
Anyways, she really doesn't do anything at all until Alexander hands her a dagger. She didn't have anything blunt and heavy in her bedroom to beat someone over the head with? I find that hard to believe. Anyways, all she did with the dagger was stab the bad guy in the shoulder -- if she was really all that capable, she'd have stabbed him in the neck after all of that. Seriously. Does. Not. Deserve. To. Live!
So, while she's brave and she's certainly adventurous enough to be a solid match for Alexander, I think our Damsel in Distress factor here proves she's incapable of saving herself. For me, that's an issue.

By my count, Rosella has been in a Damsel in Distress situation four times.
The first time, she volunteered to go to the dragon, hoping to save Daventry. The fact that Alexander had to rescue her is kind of beside the point given that the whole thing was her brave and heroic idea to begin with.
The second time, Lolotte locked her in the tower. Yes, Edgar gave her the key. Outside of that, Rosella rescued herself. Edgar didn't even give her any kind of immunity from the guards, she had to sneak around, get her stuff back, and slay Lolotte all by herself.
The third time, Mordack shrank her and the Castle Daventry and kept them in a jar. Yes, she needed Graham and Crispin to save her. But, seriously? It's not like Alexander, Valanice, or anyone else in the castle was much help. (They never address this but the chances it was just the three of them in that castle are, well, absolutely zilch. :P)
The fourth time, she was turned into a troll and kept in the Vulcanix Underground. Not only did she find an ally all by herself, she got all the ingredients to become human again and then escaped Vulcanix Underground.
Damsel in Distress? I think not!

PS I really didn't find Rosella that spoiled in KQ7. I don't know why everyone thinks she is? Is it the whole thing in the beginning? If anything I thought Valanice was being ridiculous -- yes, she understandably wants Rosella married, but this is NOT the same Valanice who is so supportive of Alexander in KQ6. Heck, this is not the same Valanice who's all adventurous and totally worthy of Graham in the rest of KQ7! This is Valanice, the worrywort mother who doesn't understand that her children cannot be involved with boring people or they will lose their minds.
And, yes, Rosella does think a lot of things are gross in KQ7. But most of that stuff really IS gross. It's not like it stopped her from doing the things she needed to, she just commented that it was gross.
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Re: Rosella vs. Cassima
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 02:49:20 PM »
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Re: Rosella vs. Cassima
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 03:00:38 PM »
This is a tough question and I never really thought about it before. I have to say I like them both equally but Rosella does have and edge in getting out of situations and really does not want anything to tie her down. He dances to her own tune really and I like that.

Cassima was kidnapped by Mordack. Even though she knew her way around the labyrinth and helped Graham escape from the dungeon and was friends with all of Mordack's monsters living in the maze.... she still stayed in the kitchen and was scared of everyone. She hardly seemed capable then.
Then, Abdul Alhazred captures her in her own tower. Yes, she sent out Sing-Sing so she wasn't isolated from the rest of the world. But she has guard dogs loyal to her following Alhazred's orders and she couldn't convince them she didn't want to stay in the tower? Really? REALLY? Then she actually tries to get Alexander to leave so she can, what, stay locked in a tower? It's not like anyone in that family has ever saved her before, right? Oh wait....
Anyways, she really doesn't do anything at all until Alexander hands her a dagger. She didn't have anything blunt and heavy in her bedroom to beat someone over the head with? I find that hard to believe. Anyways, all she did with the dagger was stab the bad guy in the shoulder -- if she was really all that capable, she'd have stabbed him in the neck after all of that. Seriously. Does. Not. Deserve. To. Live!
So, while she's brave and she's certainly adventurous enough to be a solid match for Alexander, I think our Damsel in Distress factor here proves she's incapable of saving herself. For me, that's an issue.

Where was Cassima going to go if she got away from Mordack? The island was isolated and Mordack could just poof her back to the island.
Also Alhazred was another nasty person to get involved with. He is a murder and Cassima found safety in her room. I think the same idea applies here too with the genie like Mordack , if she escaped where would she go? The genie could always find her, he was following Alexander all over the place. She had no choice but to stay where she was, but I still like her.

Boy, did I just get myself confused.

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Re: Rosella vs. Cassima
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 03:26:15 PM »
Where was Cassima going to go if she got away from Mordack? The island was isolated and Mordack could just poof her back to the island.
Also Alhazred was another nasty person to get involved with. He is a murder and Cassima found safety in her room. I think the same idea applies here too with the genie like Mordack , if she escaped where would she go? The genie could always find her, he was following Alexander all over the place. She had no choice but to stay where she was, but I still like her.
Had it been Rosella in Cassima's shoes, guaranteed she would have done some sort of cross-between of KQ3 and KQ5 actions to defeat Mordack (sneaking around while he was away or asleep, learning magic behind his back, and then stealing his wand and using it to destroy him. Then she wouldn't have had to leave, she'd have an island of her very own. Of course, she probably could have found magical means off the island then or befriended a passing mermaid once Mordack had been extinguished.

Similarly, Cassima was friends with Jollo, who was very helpful to Alexander. You mean to tell me she couldn't have gotten help from him? She could have ordered the lamp seller to give her the fake lamp (of course, promising him a reward later), switched the lamps, poofed Abdul Alhazred away and then given Shamir to the lamp seller as a reward.

See what I'm saying? She doesn't think on her toes like Rosella does.
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Re: Rosella vs. Cassima
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 11:36:24 PM »
Rosella has hair on her feet tho!
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Re: Rosella vs. Cassima
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2010, 08:40:33 AM »
You're right Cray, Rosella could have gotten out. I vote Rosella
 

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