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Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« on: August 05, 2006, 06:53:59 PM »
So I was going through King's Quest Companion and something just hit me...

Note before I begin, in the case of the King's Quest Omnpedia we just assume sorcerer, enchanter, and Manannan are all seperate characters since there is nothing specific which explicitley states that they are the same character.

However in the King's Quest II novel it mentions that the evil enchanter in Kolyma was wearing the pointed hat that designated him a member of the Magician's Guild. Also King Graham mentions that he thought that the enchanter might have been the same sorcerer he ran into during his search for three treasures of daventry.

In Alexander's account of his adventures during KQ3, he mentions manannan kept several of the pointed hats that designated him as member of the Magician's guild.

Could it be that Peter Spear was trying to weave a connection between the three Magician's we saw during the first three King's Quest games. Infact to the point that he may have been implying that they were all one and the same character?

It also should be noted that there is possible connection that the Sorcerer from KQ1 may have been the same one that stole the Magic Mirror in the first place.

It brings an interesting thought, that if they are the same character, that perhaps we have a different spin on why Manannan watched in glee as the dragon was heading towards Daventry, and also why he kidnapped Alexander.

If Mannanan had been trying to destroy Daventry for years, being the patient man that he was, he may have first made sure he had stolen the magic mirror so that they wouldn't be able to predict the coming of Dahlia, and False Dwarf.

Its stated in the companion that fall of Daventry was nigh, when Graham found the three treasures at the last possible moment.

He certainly would have been upset at Graham for recovering the mirror, and the other treasures. It would have been a setback to his plan to destroy the kingdom.

Several years later when Alexander was born, he found another chance to weaken the kingdom by taking its first born heir. He had taken slaves in the past, but this one was special not only would he enjoy destroying Daventry's rulership, but he would also have the enjoyment of playing with Graham's own son.

It is known that mysterious spell had been cast on the Magic Mirror to darken it so that it could not be used to get information. Could Manannan been behind the spell?

While neither Manannan nor Mordack released the Three-headed Dragon, its known from King's Quest 4 manual that he enjoyed the dragon's destruction of many kingdoms on its way to Daventry, as he had a hatred for humanity.
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2006, 07:35:55 PM »
Could Manannan actually be the talking cat from "Sabrina the Teenage Witch"?
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2006, 07:56:30 PM »
ROTFLOL, that's a good one.
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Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2006, 05:23:29 PM »
  I've always thought Mannanan was mainly an observer of the decimation across Daventry.  Maybe he was the sorcerer mentioned in King's Quest I.  Of course, I suppose it doesn't matter now that he is a cat.
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2006, 07:23:54 PM »
Ya he apparently was mainly an observer during the decimation of King's Quest 3, as is mentioned in KQ4 manual. He was not the one that sent the dragon out.

The companion hints that the dragon was probably released and controlled by someone. But it says it was neither Manannan, nor Mordack that did it.

Never the less, Manannan was watching the events from afar and enjoyed what was happening.

Also it would be interesting to know what Manannan's criteria is for kidnapping kids. It would have been nice to know why he chose Alexander.

As a side note, companion mentions that nothing is known about Manannan after he was put into  the bag. Derek Karlaevagen hopes he hasn't escaped, and certainly hopes he hasn't found a way to reverse the spell, so he can't take revenge.
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Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2006, 07:47:02 AM »
  I wonder if TSL will at all deal with little things like how the dragon was set loose upon Daventry, or what happened to Mannanan after he was left in the bag (it does seem kind of unfitting that he would die of starvation or suffication trapped in a bag, doesn't it?
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2006, 12:20:54 PM »
Quote from: TribeHasSpoken on August 05, 2006, 07:35:55 PM
Could Manannan actually be the talking cat from "Sabrina the Teenage Witch"?
LMAO :suffer:

Quote from: TheGreatGraham on August 08, 2006, 07:47:02 AM
  I wonder if TSL will at all deal with little things like how the dragon was set loose upon Daventry, or what happened to Mannanan after he was left in the bag (it does seem kind of unfitting that he would die of starvation or suffication trapped in a bag, doesn't it?
I actually can't remember how much the dragon relates to the plot, but I know that he is in the Making Of video in storyboard form. 8)
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2006, 12:50:57 PM »
Quote from: Yonkey on August 08, 2006, 12:20:54 PM
Quote from: TribeHasSpoken on August 05, 2006, 07:35:55 PM
Could Manannan actually be the talking cat from "Sabrina the Teenage Witch"?
LMAO :suffer:

Quote from: TheGreatGraham on August 08, 2006, 07:47:02 AM
  I wonder if TSL will at all deal with little things like how the dragon was set loose upon Daventry, or what happened to Mannanan after he was left in the bag (it does seem kind of unfitting that he would die of starvation or suffication trapped in a bag, doesn't it?
I actually can't remember how much the dragon relates to the plot, but I know that he is in the Making Of video in storyboard form. 8)
Cooooool 8)  I didn't see this before.  Thanks ;D.
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2006, 12:42:14 AM »
If the AGDI version of kq2 is to be believed, probably the dude in the black cape sent the dragon.
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2006, 12:51:47 AM »
The plot of TSL only takes the official backstory from the Sierra games into consideration. The extra plot added in the AGDI remake of KQ2 is ignored.
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2006, 12:16:59 AM »
Quote from: TheGreatGraham on August 08, 2006, 07:47:02 AM
I actually can't remember how much the dragon relates to the plot, but I know that he is in the Making Of video in storyboard form. 8)

Now that you mention that... I wonder why does in the Making Of video Alexander kills the dragon by throwing a sword to it, instead of using the Brewing a Storm spell. Are you guys just changing that part of the story?
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2006, 05:25:16 AM »
You'll see why in Chapter 3. :suffer:
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2006, 09:43:02 AM »
Quote from: Yonkey on August 17, 2006, 05:25:16 AM
You'll see why in Chapter 3. :suffer:
I think you mean Part 3...isn't Chapter three still with Graham? ;P
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2006, 09:43:44 AM »
It's still with Graham, and I did mean Chapter 3 (of Shadows). 8)
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2006, 11:18:18 PM »
From this and other forum posts, I'd speculate that chapter 3 sees Graham travelling into some shared dream that Alexander and Rosella are being forced to endure because of Shadrack's magic.
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2006, 05:50:16 AM »
Interesting... 8)

LOL and "Sweet Dreams" just started playing on the radio too. XD
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2006, 10:23:29 AM »
XD Do we have to wait? XD Just kidding. I don't mind waiting! But still... It will be quite interesting how TSL incorporates these issues... I can only speculate and wait...  :P
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2007, 04:15:23 PM »
Quote from: Yonkey on August 17, 2006, 05:25:16 AM
You'll see why in Chapter 3. :suffer:
AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't stand teasers!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2007, 05:06:19 PM »
I hadn't seen this thread before. Brings up some interesting issues. And I hadn't realized that the dragon in the video was the the one Alexander killed with the storm spell... interesting...

*feels like she'll either die or go insane from the suspense and tantalizing teasers* ;P
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Re: Manannan and the Magician's Guild
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2007, 05:58:47 PM »
I'd love to see how you'd do in my shoes. I have full access to the script  but refuse to read it because I want to enjoy this game like a normal fan.
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