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Re: Journal Special Entry #5
« Reply #100 on: May 17, 2008, 09:14:17 PM »
What's the grammar mistake? ???
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Re: Journal Special Entry #5
« Reply #101 on: May 18, 2008, 05:48:05 AM »
It should be "seek him", not "seek he". :P
 
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Re: Journal Special Entry #5
« Reply #102 on: May 18, 2008, 05:50:55 AM »
It should be "seek him", not "seek he". :P

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Re: Journal Special Entry #5
« Reply #103 on: May 18, 2008, 06:46:15 AM »
As in: "I cannot help your further mortal, but there is one who may.  Seek him who rules the Isle of the Mists"?  It doesn't quite sound right to me though, since she never actually named the guy.
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Re: Journal Special Entry #5
« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2008, 12:08:55 PM »
As in: "I cannot help your further mortal, but there is one who may.  Seek him who rules the Isle of the Mists"?  It doesn't quite sound right to me though, since she never actually named the guy.

Neil, you are right on this one.  People get he vs. him incorrect all the time.  It should be "seek he..." You can always tell by removing the extra words.  For example, "him rules the Isle of the Mists" is obviously wrong, whereas "he rules the Isle of the Mists" is obviously right.  The reading in the game is correct.
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Re: Journal Special Entry #5
« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2008, 12:19:20 PM »
Technically "who rules the isle of mists" is an attribute to the object, so we leave it as it is. :P If it were a full sentence, then it would, of course, be: "He who rules the isle of mists", but "he", in this context, is meant to be an object (and "he" obviously cannot be a object, being nominative). There can't be two subjects in the same sentence in this instance. XD

Would you say "seek him" or "seek he"?

"Seek" here is an imperative, so the subject is hidden, so to speak, in the predicate. :P "To seek" is also a transitive verb, meaning it requires an object.

EDIT: Typo. :-[
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Re: Journal Special Entry #5
« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2008, 12:41:38 PM »
Absolutely right, Deloria! If it weren't for something else he said, I wouldn't continue... but you'll see why I can't quit quite yet below. (I already had most of this typed when I hit post to find that Deloria had already covered most of the ground on this... ...also, I've just read a chapter or two of Eats, Shoots and Leaves so... my inner-stickler is in full inner-battledress...)

I know I'm probably the only one whom the grammar mistake in the oracle's voice clip bothers.

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Simply wrong, chucklas. It's a matter of case. There are no "extra words": the verb "seek" demands the objective case so that we must have "Seek him...."

That "extra word" you cut out with your hatchet (do you have a permit for your grammar hatchet?) is the subject of the relative adjective clause. I cannot abide your calling a !subject! an "extra word" as if "I am" might just as well be rendered "am."

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The dependent clause in full is "who rules the Isle of the Mists."

As an example of where it would be right to say "he": "He who rules the Isle of the Mists is the only one who can help you." That's fine. You seem to be playing it by ear... "he who..." sounds right because we're accustomed to hearing nominative pronouns followed by adjective clauses beginning a sentence and acting as the subject. It isn't doing so here. It's wrong. The grammarian in all of us dies a little on the inside every time we pass over it... but it is wrong... but we'll live with it to get TSL. :P

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Re: Journal Special Entry #5
« Reply #107 on: June 01, 2008, 08:24:17 PM »
I've been swamped these past few weeks, so for those wondering, the next journal entry will end up getting posted this upcoming weekend.
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Re: Journal Special Entry #5
« Reply #108 on: June 02, 2008, 09:46:55 AM »
I can't wait to read it! I always enjoy reading the journal entries! They're very insightful!
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Journal Special Entry #6
« Reply #109 on: June 08, 2008, 08:43:54 PM »
The next entry in our Journal Special is now posted. This month's entry entitled "Start Your Engines!" discusses the software design and creation of TSL's dialogue system.  It also features screenshots of prototypes and final versions of the Conversation Editor and Conversation Tool.  Check it out! 8)
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Re: Journal Special Entry #6
« Reply #110 on: June 08, 2008, 10:40:39 PM »
That's so kawaii! I mean.. awesome.. I mean, it's amazing. Thanks for the great read :D


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Re: Journal Special Entry #6
« Reply #111 on: June 09, 2008, 06:43:05 AM »
LOL Kawaii! XD  I'm glad you liked it.  I wasn't sure if it was still too geeky to understand or not. :P
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Re: Journal Special Entry #6
« Reply #112 on: June 09, 2008, 06:43:40 AM »
Very cool! :)

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Re: Journal Special Entry #6
« Reply #113 on: June 09, 2008, 04:22:45 PM »
I specifically liked:
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Re: Journal Special Entry #6
« Reply #114 on: June 09, 2008, 04:56:55 PM »
very cool inside look! thanks for the entry. :)

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Re: Journal Special Entry #6
« Reply #115 on: June 09, 2008, 08:16:43 PM »
Thanks guys! ;D

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Graham goes webcam
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lol, that screenshot was taken years ago, back when we couldn't get any other characters to appear in the engine besides Graham. XB  As for the webcam, I have no idea where that came from! :P
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Re: Journal Special Entry #6
« Reply #116 on: June 10, 2008, 09:55:42 AM »
I loved it! Especially the tease of Chessboard land! Did you guys intentionally put the dialogue test box right in front of the castle so we couldn't see it?

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Re: Journal Special Entry #6
« Reply #117 on: June 10, 2008, 09:41:53 PM »
Did you guys intentionally put the dialogue test box right in front of the castle so we couldn't see it?
Yup! :suffer: :P

Thanks for updating it. :)
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Re: Journal Special Entry #6
« Reply #118 on: June 11, 2008, 09:36:56 AM »
Neil, I love that the Chessboard Land screen is in there! If I didn't know what it looked like, I'd be soooo mad at you. :P
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Re: Journal Special Entry #4
« Reply #119 on: June 22, 2008, 07:49:56 AM »
Hello, I am an amateur musician who use Sibelius software. Can you tell me please which programs do you use for the different levels of  music production, or more specifically, what program is associated with each screenshot in the journal entry?
Thanks very much in advance.
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