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Started by awesomeasapossum, January 01, 2008, 07:35:04 AM

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Yonkey

What's the grammar mistake? ???
"A wish changes nothing. A decision changes everything."

Deloria

It should be "seek him", not "seek he". :P
 
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Yonkey

As in: "I cannot help your further mortal, but there is one who may.  Seek him who rules the Isle of the Mists"?  It doesn't quite sound right to me though, since she never actually named the guy.
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chucklas

Quote from: Yonkey on May 18, 2008, 06:46:15 AM
As in: "I cannot help your further mortal, but there is one who may.  Seek him who rules the Isle of the Mists"?  It doesn't quite sound right to me though, since she never actually named the guy.

Neil, you are right on this one.  People get he vs. him incorrect all the time.  It should be "seek he..." You can always tell by removing the extra words.  For example, "him rules the Isle of the Mists" is obviously wrong, whereas "he rules the Isle of the Mists" is obviously right.  The reading in the game is correct.
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Deloria

#105
Technically "who rules the isle of mists" is an attribute to the object, so we leave it as it is. :P If it were a full sentence, then it would, of course, be: "He who rules the isle of mists", but "he", in this context, is meant to be an object (and "he" obviously cannot be a object, being nominative). There can't be two subjects in the same sentence in this instance. XD

Would you say "seek him" or "seek he"?

"Seek" here is an imperative, so the subject is hidden, so to speak, in the predicate. :P "To seek" is also a transitive verb, meaning it requires an object.

EDIT: Typo. :-[
 
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Delling

Absolutely right, Deloria! If it weren't for something else he said, I wouldn't continue... but you'll see why I can't quit quite yet below. (I already had most of this typed when I hit post to find that Deloria had already covered most of the ground on this... ...also, I've just read a chapter or two of Eats, Shoots and Leaves so... my inner-stickler is in full inner-battledress...)

Quote from: Merlin on May 17, 2008, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: Deloria on May 17, 2008, 08:16:52 AM
I know I'm probably the only one whom the grammar mistake in the oracle's voice clip bothers.

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Simply wrong, chucklas. It's a matter of case. There are no "extra words": the verb "seek" demands the objective case so that we must have "Seek him...."

That "extra word" you cut out with your hatchet (do you have a permit for your grammar hatchet?) is the subject of the relative adjective clause. I cannot abide your calling a !subject! an "extra word" as if "I am" might just as well be rendered "am."

The spoiler contains an aside...
[spoiler](this is a bit of a linguistic joke b/c if English were pro-drop but still had its current semantics, this would be one of the cases where dropping the subject would be acceptable, :P and we would regularly see present progressive and present passive constructions with no subject in sight).[/spoiler]

The dependent clause in full is "who rules the Isle of the Mists."

As an example of where it would be right to say "he": "He who rules the Isle of the Mists is the only one who can help you." That's fine. You seem to be playing it by ear... "he who..." sounds right because we're accustomed to hearing nominative pronouns followed by adjective clauses beginning a sentence and acting as the subject. It isn't doing so here. It's wrong. The grammarian in all of us dies a little on the inside every time we pass over it... but it is wrong... but we'll live with it to get TSL. :P

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Yonkey

I've been swamped these past few weeks, so for those wondering, the next journal entry will end up getting posted this upcoming weekend.
"A wish changes nothing. A decision changes everything."

dark-daventry

I can't wait to read it! I always enjoy reading the journal entries! They're very insightful!
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Yonkey

The next entry in our Journal Special is now posted. This month's entry entitled "Start Your Engines!" discusses the software design and creation of TSL's dialogue system.  It also features screenshots of prototypes and final versions of the Conversation Editor and Conversation Tool.  Check it out! 8)
"A wish changes nothing. A decision changes everything."

Suzie

That's so kawaii! I mean.. awesome.. I mean, it's amazing. Thanks for the great read :D


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You win pie! - Nebel

Yonkey

LOL Kawaii! XD  I'm glad you liked it.  I wasn't sure if it was still too geeky to understand or not. :P
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copycat

I specifically liked:
QuoteAre you a clone?
and
QuoteGraham goes webcam
LOL! ;D
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RIDance

very cool inside look! thanks for the entry. :)

Yonkey

Thanks guys! ;D

Quote from: copycat on June 09, 2008, 04:22:45 PM
I specifically liked:
QuoteAre you a clone?
and
QuoteGraham goes webcam
LOL! ;D
lol, that screenshot was taken years ago, back when we couldn't get any other characters to appear in the engine besides Graham. XB  As for the webcam, I have no idea where that came from! :P
"A wish changes nothing. A decision changes everything."

dark-daventry

I loved it! Especially the tease of Chessboard land! Did you guys intentionally put the dialogue test box right in front of the castle so we couldn't see it?

[spoiler]And I absolutely loved the guillotine! The place head here thing was hilarious! [/spoiler]

Great entry Neil! I'll edit the facebook group with the information later today (I'm at school, and they block facebook unfortunately). I loved it, and I can't wait for the next edition!
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Yonkey

Quote from: dark-daventry on June 10, 2008, 09:55:42 AM
Did you guys intentionally put the dialogue test box right in front of the castle so we couldn't see it?
Yup! :suffer: :P

Thanks for updating it. :)
"A wish changes nothing. A decision changes everything."

awesomeasapossum

Neil, I love that the Chessboard Land screen is in there! If I didn't know what it looked like, I'd be soooo mad at you. :P
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Havustraky

#119
Hello, I am an amateur musician who use Sibelius software. Can you tell me please which programs do you use for the different levels of  music production, or more specifically, what program is associated with each screenshot in the journal entry?
Thanks very much in advance.