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To everyone who thinks the episode is too short and with not enough puzzles

Started by Cez, July 11, 2010, 02:01:20 AM

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daventry

I think after TSL, Activision should Remake the KQ Collection from 1-8 so it can work in Windows 7 64bit ;)

Well i Only need 5-8 since i have KQ1vga/KQ2vga/KQ3vga  :suffer:

There is a Team making KQ4vga, but im not sure if they are still around.  ??? ???

spinz

if you still have the original discs you can also just use dosbox to make them work. It takes some tinkering and learning, but its possible to make them run perfectly.

Baggins

The KQ 5-7 collections on GOG, and the 1-7 collecdtion on steam both use Dosbox (except steam KQ7).

The KQ7 version in the steam collection, is a 32-bit windows only version. The collection is also missing the original King's Quest 1.
Quotei have KQ1vga/KQ2vga/KQ3vga  

Technically you still need to play KQ2 original and KQ3 original, the fan vga versions took many liberties to the original stories (more so with KQ2). TSL is following the original stories (for the most part), and as I understand it, if all you knew was the KQ2 VGA version you probably will have some confusion once TSL starts making references to it (due to many characters from official KQ2 are either missing or completely different).

Besides, the fact that those releases exist, doesn't give you the right to purposely steal revenue from the owners of the original games, ;). You should go out and buy the original games the way they were originally meant to be played and hopefully support the future of these kind of games.



(Posted on: July 13, 2010, 08:27:53 AM)


This was brought up in another thread, but here's Kotaku's review. It discusses mainstream concerns, the effect of first impressions, and is critical of the length of the episode.
http://kotaku.com/5584586...lder?skyline=true&s=i
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

daventry

I dident Steal Anything, AGD did and i did play the Original KQ1/KQ2 back then, so go tell AGD Not to Change and do what they want with the Originals :(

Is IA sticking with the Original KQ3  ???

What is GOG  ::)

Baggins

Good, if you have played/owned the originals, good for you :).

IA's KQ3 vga, makes a few changes from the original as far as maps (Daventry is quite a bit different than it was in KQ3), certain puzzles, and certain cutscenes are concerned. Plus many additions not from the original. Only a few changes to the story, nothing really big. Most characters remain true to the original.

Can't say the same for KQ2VGA, removed the genie, removed good fairy, switched the characterizations of the Vampire and Monk characters, etc.

Good Old Games

http://www.gog.com/en/frontpage/

They have quite a few old sierra games, including Gabriel Knight Series. They add new installation onto the games, including all the up to date fan improvements/patches. For example the GK2 has the patch that removes the interlace lines from the videos.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

daventry

I like KQ2vga/KQ3vga but i Hate this Father thing they put into it, TSL is Really gonna Confuse the New People who Played the VGA Versions and not understand as to what is going on.

What exactly is Changed in KQ1vga, it looks basicly the same to me.

Baggins

Speaking of teams stealing the games, and changing them for there own purposes;

Ever played Sarien.net? Basically its all the old agi classic games, but in a multiplayer format. You can play the games and solve the puzzles like they originally where intended, but you can chat it up with other players walking around the worlds with you.
http://sarien.net/

I was talking only about KQ2VGA and KQ3VGA. BTW, the Father isn't in KQ3VGA. About the only thing it introduced into the game, storywise, that was different than the original, was Mordack, plus a new theory as to why Rosella became the latest victim (as told in the Oracle Cave). It also ignored the ending of KQ3 and beginning of KQ4, in that the reunion and Graham's heart attack took places moments from each other (but the vga remake places them about three months apart).

KQ1 VGA is essentially almost exactly the same as King's Quest 1 SCI, except for art changes. The diologue and puzzles are exactly the same as the official KQ1 remake. There might have been extra dialogue added, but that only concerns an easter egg or two (Larry Laffer appears for example).
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

daventry

Quote from: Baggins on July 13, 2010, 08:03:48 AMKQ3VGA ignored that and put 3 months between the reunion, and the passing on the cap scene (in which he helps his father repair the land).
I forgot about that part, thats Stupid  ???

dante

Quote from: Darkbulb on July 12, 2010, 09:42:08 AM
Quote from: wilco64256 on July 12, 2010, 09:34:01 AM
Releasing a smaller first episode also gives us a chance to discover and resolve surprise technical issues so we can be confident future episodes will run better.

I'm sorry but that's a horrible "reason" and I'm disappointed, if you are part of the development team to even hear you say that - and to state it as if it's fact.

a) There's a testing crew mentioned in the credits,
b) If need for more diverse testing increase that crew. I'm sure there would be an army of people willing to do so,
c) Releasing something as finished in order to gather more info on how it runs is never a good/feasible idea regardless of if it's free or commercial (and I've worked on a number of freeware initiatives).


Chill...

Considering the ride the entire team has been on from the start of this project to right now, I think you owe them to back off and give them a little space.

DeadlyFoez

I was rather shocked that episode 1 was so short, but it was a great intro and I look forward to the next episodes. I'm very happy to see that this project was able to continue. I have been following this for about 3-4 years and even tried out one of the really early demos. Good job guys. You have helped me relive the magical days of Kings Quest that I played for so many hours on end. Thank you.

Hituro

As far as the remakes go, I really liked the KQ1 remake, and I do like the KQ2 remake only because they gave hagatha a larger roll than in the original.  To be honest, the thing about the father, I don't think that will confuse too many people in TSL.  Only because I always felt that the father was Shadrack, and supposedly he's thousands of years old, and both TSL and KQ2+ make reference to this.  It's kind of a minor mention in TSL, I mean.. I don't know for sure if the cloaked guy is Shadrack.. just assuming he is.  For all I know it could be Crispin gone mad due to Cedric's annoying ramblings.  As for KQ3, I always have loved the original.  The newer remake is only nice because it's got point and click.  But KQ3 and KQ6 were always my favs.  Now I got the Mannanan music stuck in my head :P  "Gwydion!  I'm going on a journey!"

Fierce Deity

Quote from: Hituro on July 17, 2010, 11:48:55 PM
As far as the remakes go, I really liked the KQ1 remake, and I do like the KQ2 remake only because they gave hagatha a larger roll than in the original.  To be honest, the thing about the father, I don't think that will confuse too many people in TSL.  Only because I always felt that the father was Shadrack, and supposedly he's thousands of years old, and both TSL and KQ2+ make reference to this.  It's kind of a minor mention in TSL, I mean.. I don't know for sure if the cloaked guy is Shadrack.. just assuming he is.  For all I know it could be Crispin gone mad due to Cedric's annoying ramblings.  As for KQ3, I always have loved the original.  The newer remake is only nice because it's got point and click.  But KQ3 and KQ6 were always my favs.  Now I got the Mannanan music stuck in my head :P  "Gwydion!  I'm going on a journey!"

I thought The Father was Shadrack as well, but I was never sure. I didn't think Hagatha was in the Black Cloaks, so I didn't jump to a conclusion, but then I found the note that was in the birdcage. The note was written by Manannan who called Hagatha a "sister" and referred to The Father as his leader. Since Manannan was a member of the Black Cloaks, it got me thinking that maybe The Father was Shadrack.
Freudian Slip - "When you say one thing, but mean your mother."

Kimmie

Quote from: Baggins on July 13, 2010, 07:43:26 AM
Good, if you have played/owned the originals, good for you :).

IA's KQ3 vga, makes a few changes from the original as far as maps (Daventry is quite a bit different than it was in KQ3), certain puzzles, and certain cutscenes are concerned. Plus many additions not from the original. Only a few changes to the story, nothing really big. Most characters remain true to the original.

Can't say the same for KQ2VGA, removed the genie, removed good fairy, switched the characterizations of the Vampire and Monk characters, etc.

Good Old Games

http://www.gog.com/en/frontpage/

They have quite a few old sierra games, including Gabriel Knight Series. They add new installation onto the games, including all the up to date fan improvements/patches. For example the GK2 has the patch that removes the interlace lines from the videos.

Mmmm, thank you for linking these things, it means I can play and try new games :D
Shimmy to the Kimmie



I <3 Connor but he is beyond my reach!

Baggins

glad to help.

Quotethought The Father was Shadrack as well, but I was never sure. I didn't think Hagatha was in the Black Cloaks, so I didn't jump to a conclusion, but then I found the note that was in the birdcage. The note was written by Manannan who called Hagatha a "sister" and referred to The Father as his leader. Since Manannan was a member of the Black Cloaks, it got me thinking that maybe The Father was Shadrack.

The father is actually pretty much a non-aging immortal in KQ2+, no reference to him being "Shadrack" though. Shadrack is never actually mentioned. I'm not sure, does the Father ever get called anything but "Father" by other members of the black cloak? I know in case of KQ6 (or maybe the Companion), Shadrack was referred to as "brother".

Here is an articles concerning essential the limits known about the Society of the Black cloak from "official" sources, KQ6 and The King's Quest Companion alone (its put together with direct references, with minimal interpretation);
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Society_of_the_Black_Cloak

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Shadrack

Here are various fan theories for the Society and Shadrack;
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Shadrack_(fan_sources)

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Cloak_Society_(unofficial)
Now back to the topic.


Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

crayauchtin

If you read the books in the library in KQ2+, it tells you everything you need to know about the Father. It doesn't spell it out for you who he is, but he is in the books and he is NOT a nice person. ;)

But, no, he is not Shadrack.
"If your translation is correct, that was 'May a sleepy hippopotamus lie down on your house keys,' but you're not sure. Unfortunately, your fluency in griffin-speak is too low."

We're roleplaying in the King's Quest world: come join in the fun!

Baggins

Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

Fierce Deity

Quote from: Baggins on July 18, 2010, 05:52:48 AM
glad to help.

Quotethought The Father was Shadrack as well, but I was never sure. I didn't think Hagatha was in the Black Cloaks, so I didn't jump to a conclusion, but then I found the note that was in the birdcage. The note was written by Manannan who called Hagatha a "sister" and referred to The Father as his leader. Since Manannan was a member of the Black Cloaks, it got me thinking that maybe The Father was Shadrack.

The father is actually pretty much a non-aging immortal in KQ2+, no reference to him being "Shadrack" though. Shadrack is never actually mentioned. I'm not sure, does the Father ever get called anything but "Father" by other members of the black cloak? I know in case of KQ6 (or maybe the Companion), Shadrack was referred to as "brother".

Here is an articles concerning essential the limits known about the Society of the Black cloak from "official" sources, KQ6 and The King's Quest Companion alone (its put together with direct references, with minimal interpretation);
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Society_of_the_Black_Cloak

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Shadrack

Here are various fan theories for the Society and Shadrack;
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Shadrack_(fan_sources)

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Cloak_Society_(unofficial)
Now back to the topic.



http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Cloak_Society_%28unofficial%29

Interesting. In this link (which I got to from one of Baggins' links), it says that there are two versions of the Black Cloaks, but they are both considered non-canonical. The only members that were mentioned in KQ6, was Mordack, Alhazred, and Shadrack. There was also no reference to Shadrack even being the leader, it was just assumed. The Father and his cult was one of the non-canonical versions of the Black Cloaks. But apparently, The Father goes by the name, Morgeilen. He was the leader of "this" Black Cloak Society, just not Shadrack himself. The other version of the Black Cloaks was Shadrack, and practically every villain in the series ever (including Lucreto, which I thought was weird).

The only version of the Black Cloaks that will truly matter will be the one that is revealed in TSL. So as of yet, there is no canonical Society outside of the three mentioned members.

EDIT: I just found this line in the same link:

Note: Shadrack is not mentioned but is presumably a member as well, likely a "Brother" (though he could be another one of Moregeilen's identities).

So maybe Shadrack is The Father. No use in speculating any further, because there's no evidence to say one way or another. Why does non-canonical stories have to make your head spin? :S
Freudian Slip - "When you say one thing, but mean your mother."

crayauchtin

"If your translation is correct, that was 'May a sleepy hippopotamus lie down on your house keys,' but you're not sure. Unfortunately, your fluency in griffin-speak is too low."

We're roleplaying in the King's Quest world: come join in the fun!

Baggins

QuoteSo as of yet, there is no canonical Society outside of the three mentioned members.
Well, even TSL's will end up on that "unofficial" page. The only person who really had any idea of what the "canonical" Black Cloak entailled was apparently Jane Jensen, and she never took it anywhere :p... That "canonical" page is only what comes out of KQ6 and the Companion, and nothing else.

TSL represents another fan theory, which apparently places Shadrack as the leader of the Black Cloaks (from what we have been told in interviews).

As of right now there are actually four different fan versions of what the Black Cloak society is exactly, two from fan fiction and two from fan games. I'm sure other fans have given there theories out there as well, those are just the four I know of.

QuoteNote: Shadrack is not mentioned but is presumably a member as well, likely a "Brother" (though he could be another one of Moregeilen's identities).
Yep, that's speculation, there are many fans that assume that Shadrack is an alias of Morgeilen. But like it mentions, Shadrack is not ever mentioned in the game. Neither is Abdul Alhazred even... It could probably be speculated that Abdul Alhazred was an alias of Morgeilen for all we know :p... There may even be clues in the game that Lucreto might have been Morgeilen... Who really knows... Someone should try asking Erpy, if they had thought of Shadrack et al during their design processes.

But anyways back to the topic, of the game being too short :).
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

Hituro

Quote from: Fierce Deity on July 18, 2010, 12:23:34 AM
I thought The Father was Shadrack as well, but I was never sure. I didn't think Hagatha was in the Black Cloaks, so I didn't jump to a conclusion, but then I found the note that was in the birdcage. The note was written by Manannan who called Hagatha a "sister" and referred to The Father as his leader. Since Manannan was a member of the Black Cloaks, it got me thinking that maybe The Father was Shadrack.

Actually in the King's Quest companion I believe it mentions that Hagatha is the sister of both Manannan and Mordack.  So I always assumed she was part of the black cloak society as well.  I guess I'm wrong about the father though :)